And that 25 years of electricity is based on today’s electricity prices - history suggests those prices will go up (in fairness, this is probably offset by the slow degradation of the panels’ output).
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And that 25 years of electricity is based on today’s electricity prices - history suggests those prices will go up (in fairness, this is probably offset by the slow degradation of the panels’ output).
Not even close - since 2015 my 10kW solar production degraded less than 5% while off peak price of electricity went up 270% from ev6 off peak 12 cents to forced switch into EV-A then ev2a plan at 36 cents per kWh.And that 25 years of electricity is based on today’s electricity prices - history suggests those prices will go up (in fairness, this is probably offset by the slow degradation of the panels’ output).
Sorry, but Boeing has been able to get many whistleblowers into the ground.After spending a staggering amount more than spacex, they STILL cannot get astronauts off the ground
This thread is rapidly degenerating into just a bunch of 'investors' who seem focused on ranting about the CEO's politics. There are other places to do this, in fact the entire internet seems to be taken over by people who spend their every waking moment ranting about how much they hat Elon's politics. This is the last sane place where serious investors can discuss the company, and it would be very depressing to see it go the same way.
There are dedicated 'offtopic' and 'twitter' and 'elon' threads available.
BTW, when discussing how awful it is that elon thought things would be quicker or easier, take a look at Boeing. After spending a staggering amount more than spacex, they STILL cannot get astronauts off the ground, years after spacex managed it, and are even now sending tourists. Blu Origin STILL not in orbit either. Maybe, just maybe, mass production of 4680s and EV semi trucks is a very hard thing to do? There is ample evidence of Elon managing companies that do hard things very, very effectively.
Hard to argue with success, easy to argue with political opinions. If all of this stuff is this hard for Tesla, just think how hard it is for everyone else.This thread is rapidly degenerating into just a bunch of 'investors' who seem focused on ranting about the CEO's politics. There are other places to do this, in fact the entire internet seems to be taken over by people who spend their every waking moment ranting about how much they hat Elon's politics. This is the last sane place where serious investors can discuss the company, and it would be very depressing to see it go the same way.
There are dedicated 'offtopic' and 'twitter' and 'elon' threads available.
BTW, when discussing how awful it is that elon thought things would be quicker or easier, take a look at Boeing. After spending a staggering amount more than spacex, they STILL cannot get astronauts off the ground, years after spacex managed it, and are even now sending tourists. Blu Origin STILL not in orbit either. Maybe, just maybe, mass production of 4680s and EV semi trucks is a very hard thing to do? There is ample evidence of Elon managing companies that do hard things very, very effectively.
We don't pay insane rates per kWh like CA. I'd have to pay over $32k for 10kW to replace a $200/mth bill @ $.15/kWhNot doing solar would be insanely expensive, as it produces at least 25 years of electrical bills worth of electricity.
Not doing solar would be insanely expensive, as it produces at least 25 years of electrical bills worth of electricity.
How much will my $32k (in today's dollars) solar panels be worth compared to if I put $32k in an index for 25 years?Not doing solar would be insanely expensive, as it produces at least 25 years of electrical bills worth of electricity.
Besides, you can buy solar power from FPL. Tesla wants over $100,000 to put a solar roof on and $70 plus just for panels and batteries for my house. That won’t pay back ever here. Buying solar from a company makes more sense here. Babcock Ranch is a small town entirely solar powered by FPL.How much will my $32k (in today's dollars) solar panels be worth compared to if I put $32k in an index for 25 years?
Solar just doesn't make financial sense where I live
IIRC Elon laughed at a reported single digit percent take rate (4%?) on X. That puts it into a 5-50% range I guessMy "premium connectivity" in the Tesla just ran out. It's about 10 USD a month to keep it and I primarily use it to be able to access Spotify directly from the car, instead of having to go through phone - bluetooth. I paid - please don't laugh at me - about 160 kUSD a year ago for my Model X Plaid, I am rather well off and not particularly cheap. Still I am very hesitant to pay 10 usd a month for an internet connection in the car. I don't like monthly fees for a "nice to have". So this makes me wonder about the take rate for FSD, which is about ten times as expensive. Maybe different for people who commute long distances everyday, I bike to work, but I am not certain we will see a majority paying for FSD. Do we know already? Sorry if I haven't scrolled back all hundreds of posts if this is already discussed.
It's only $99 per year if you pay up front.I think premium connectivity is a no brainer. Its massively, massively worth it. Spotify is great, live traffic updates are a nice bonus, and decent connection for streaming netflix if I'm at a supercharger is the cherry on the icing on the cake.
$10 a month. So $120 a year. $1,200 if you keep the car a massive ten years. On a $50 car purchase, its a rounding error. I cannot understand anybody *not* having it tbh.
And I'm a work from home semi retired guy who isn't stuck in rush-hour commutes or frequently supercharging.
My "premium connectivity" in the Tesla just ran out. It's about 10 USD a month to keep it and I primarily use it to be able to access Spotify directly from the car, instead of having to go through phone - bluetooth. I paid - please don't laugh at me - about 160 kUSD a year ago for my Model X Plaid, I am rather well off and not particularly cheap. Still I am very hesitant to pay 10 usd a month for an internet connection in the car. I don't like monthly fees for a "nice to have". So this makes me wonder about the take rate for FSD, which is about ten times as expensive. Maybe different for people who commute long distances everyday, I bike to work, but I am not certain we will see a majority paying for FSD. Do we know already? Sorry if I haven't scrolled back all hundreds of posts if this is already discussed.
By 26 hours a day, do you mean 16, or 12, or what would you estimate as the actual average?Lastly after not being in China for the past 20 years, I can officially say this country has indeed transformed. Air quality and cleanliness is night and day. They have indeed built things extremely fast. People here work 26hrs a day. The US as Elon said is falling behind quickly due to complacency and just all this whining about pay and "harsh working hrs" compared to other lazier countries in EU. However quality control is still an issue. I wouldn't consider certain things built with high precision or quality.
I wouldn't say it's all flowers and roses as this place tracks people like a dystopian black mirror episode, but people here actually likes it as it has brought them safety since crime rate plummeted big time. Accessing the net beyond China's intense filter is PIA which prevents people from learning other perspectives of the truth. Not for free thinkers but also prevents people from comparing themselves to others unlike all the whiners in the US. They keep working them 26hrs a day thinking it's normal.
I mean it as a joke because this one worker said it at the airport. "We are required to work 26hrs a day sometimes".By 26 hours a day, do you mean 16, or 12, or what would you estimate as the actual average?