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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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StealthP3D
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Sad indeed. but there is help. Study this chart of the S&P 500 Index over the last 43 years:
Can you make out a trend line here? The proven way to become wealthy is to work hard, save and invest and not worry about the ups and downs because they are not something you have any control over. By selecting the best companies and avoiding the failures like a plague you can do a lot better than this without worrying about trying to time the market.
Black Monday 1987 is visible as a little blip - it was the largest one day drop ever and people thought the world was coming to an end. I was wondering why everyone seemed so shocked. It was only 20% for the S&P 500 and around 23% for the DJIA. But, if you didn't sell it was a non-event. The way to manage stock market volatility is to reduce exposure to stocks as retirement nears. But if you have been a diligent investor your entire life you will have so much money by that time that you will be able to laugh off a 25% loss. A long-term perspective makes the game of life much easier to play.
StealthP3D
Well-Known Member
The advantage of ICE is, when they get old, you can work on them yourself:
I found this strangely relaxing to watch while seeming absurd at the same time. It took me back to an era that is quickly becoming a distant memory.
Transportation is important. Don't under-estimate the speed at which this is happening. Godspeed Cybertruck!
Transportation is important. Don't under-estimate the speed at which this is happening. Godspeed Cybertruck!
RobStark
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The kid in his souped up Honda was never about beating the quickest car in the Model Y price class at the stop light grand prix. He couldn't do it in 1990 or now.
It was about fun to drive and having something rare that expresses your personality.
There have always been more rational transportation choices. And most people keep making irrational choices buying cars on wants not needs.
Nobody needs a Model S Plaid. And yet Tesla can't satisfy orders. The Yoke may be cool but it is certainly not utilitarian.
Most people need a compact hatchback or minivan. And those are going the way of the Dodo bird in US/Canada.
In an Iphone/Apple watch world people keep telling me a Rolex is pointless.
Yet Rolex sells their entire production of 750k units/year at full price. Many Swiss watch companies are doing quite well.
Robotaxi services will sell to people that hate cars or are indifferent to cars. To people that can't drive or can't afford to drive. And to people that need taxi services like drunks or people going to the airport. Not to people that love cars and love to drive for their daily transportation.
RobStark
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Just because the Chinese Government aims for Chinese companies to produce 35M BEV per year does not necessarily mean they will export 10-20M BEVs per year.
VW aims to sell more BEVs per year than Tesla in 2030.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Brilliantly predicted 10 years ago in these ads by Renault-Nissan. Because why wouldn't you want a gas powered phone, alarm clock etc?
Someone had to inject party politics into this thread again, of the nasty kind. A bunch of posts have been removed. It's no secret that there is no place for political bickering in this thread, so the instigator - warned before - has been exiled for two weeks.
Please also try to limit the discussion on world politics. Some people will say it's relevant, and others will say the same for dozens of other subjects (like crypto, brexit, forest fires, the swift payment system, the temperature of the coffee at McDonald's!?!). The thread cannot harbour all those subjects.
Please also try to limit the discussion on world politics. Some people will say it's relevant, and others will say the same for dozens of other subjects (like crypto, brexit, forest fires, the swift payment system, the temperature of the coffee at McDonald's!?!). The thread cannot harbour all those subjects.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
0.2x macros on the way up, 2x macros on the way down... BTW, yesterday, "C-P Brkpt" point at a 745 Friday Close preferred for MMs. 
15,233.50 -70.00 (-0.46%)
Data last updated Sep 24, 2021 05:31 AM ET.
Here is the NASDAQ 5-day chart for TSLA, also showing macros (NASDAQ-100 and S&P-500 indices). It's pretty clear how MMs+hedgies are trying to hold TSLA to no weekly gains.
Nasdaq 100 Dec 21 (NQ=F)
CME Delayed Price. Currency in USD15,233.50 -70.00 (-0.46%)
TSLA Pre-Market Quotes Live
This page refreshes every 30 seconds.Data last updated Sep 24, 2021 05:31 AM ET.
| Consolidated Last Sale | $746.55 -7.09 (-0.94%) |
|---|---|
| Pre-Market Volume | 25,563 |
| Pre-Market High | $750 (04:00:00 AM) |
| Pre-Market Low | $745.2 (04:01:54 AM) |
Here is the NASDAQ 5-day chart for TSLA, also showing macros (NASDAQ-100 and S&P-500 indices). It's pretty clear how MMs+hedgies are trying to hold TSLA to no weekly gains.
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A few pattern match thoughts:
Biden is Howard Hughes.
He may not even know about the orbital flight of private citizens. Nobody told him.
Peter Lynch is Howard Hughes
He may not even know that Tesla will no longer depend on capital markets as the money math on accounts receivable and accounts payable is changing. The Gigapress helps shorten inventory cycle times that
make even low margin businesses profitable. [note Tesla is not a low margin business]. If ROI is the best approximate figure of merit, inventory turns is the path to reduced investment.
When there is no money tied up on boats from China, that money can be used to make the business run. No need for Wall Street capital - especially if your customers pay you before you pay your suppliers.
Nobody told Peter.
And he likely looks at Tesla numbers in an industry group kind of way, even though the way Tesla does business is significantly different.
Warren Buffet is the Wizard of.,,. So I don’t know on him.
Biden is Howard Hughes.
He may not even know about the orbital flight of private citizens. Nobody told him.
Peter Lynch is Howard Hughes
He may not even know that Tesla will no longer depend on capital markets as the money math on accounts receivable and accounts payable is changing. The Gigapress helps shorten inventory cycle times that
make even low margin businesses profitable. [note Tesla is not a low margin business]. If ROI is the best approximate figure of merit, inventory turns is the path to reduced investment.
When there is no money tied up on boats from China, that money can be used to make the business run. No need for Wall Street capital - especially if your customers pay you before you pay your suppliers.
Nobody told Peter.
And he likely looks at Tesla numbers in an industry group kind of way, even though the way Tesla does business is significantly different.
Warren Buffet is the Wizard of.,,. So I don’t know on him.
Great.. we need more departments without regulatory authority to speak on the subject /s
au.finance.yahoo.com
San Francisco raises Tesla 'self-driving' safety concerns as public test nears
San Francisco transport authorities on Thursday raised concerns about the safety record of Tesla's advanced driver assistant system, as the electric car maker prepared a wide release of a test version of the software that works on city streets and highways. The San Francisco County...
I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked0.2x macros on the way up, 2x macros on the way down... BTW, yesterday, "C-P Brkpt" point at a 745 Friday Close preferred for MMs.
Nasdaq 100 Dec 21 (NQ=F)
CME Delayed Price. Currency in USD
15,233.50 -70.00 (-0.46%)
TSLA Pre-Market Quotes Live
This page refreshes every 30 seconds.
Data last updated Sep 24, 2021 05:31 AM ET.
Consolidated Last Sale $746.55 -7.09 (-0.94%) Pre-Market Volume 25,563 Pre-Market High $750 (04:00:00 AM) Pre-Market Low $745.2 (04:01:54 AM)
Here is the NASDAQ 5-day chart for TSLA, also showing macros (NASDAQ-100 and S&P-500 indices). It's pretty clear how MMs+hedgies are trying to hold TSLA to no weekly gains.
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Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked
Final Max-pain data release for the week: Max-Pain has moved back up by $5 to $745, while my experimental "C-P Bkpt" (Call in Put) now sits at $750. Predictably, the SP at 7:00 a.m. EDT was between those two at $746.85
The Accountant
Active Member
Wu Wa reports:
"This week, Shanghai factory logistics seems to speed up the transportation of new Tesla cars. On the road outside the factory, trucks frequently enter and exit the Shanghai factory, while the parking lot is still full of new cars".
I hope this is a sign of strong local deliveries in China this month.
"This week, Shanghai factory logistics seems to speed up the transportation of new Tesla cars. On the road outside the factory, trucks frequently enter and exit the Shanghai factory, while the parking lot is still full of new cars".
I hope this is a sign of strong local deliveries in China this month.
I’m typically offended by such misuse of charts, but I came around on this one. They’re just showing the relative size of each overlapping ownership group in a donut chart. A stacked bar chart would have been more appropriate.
Remember that you influence the algorithm. Click on one negative article and you influence what search results get surfaced for you. I apparently have clicked on too many electrek articles.
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