Oh it is! I just drove my Tesla out there a few weeks ago and hiked the west coast trail. One of the craziest experiences of my life. Multiple times I thought I was going to die. It should be called the west coast obstacle course.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Does this refer to the vehicle MSRP by itself? MSRP including delivery charge? Bottom line MSRP including options and delivery?
How is SUV defined? Are we sure the Y qualifies?
Knightshade
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If made in the US/union plant, yeah... not if made in some of their out-of-US plants like in Mexico.
Non-union hybrid makers like Toyota or VW would only get the base $4000 credit... (or $500 more if they get their cells domestically)
The main battery-dependent item is the $3500 credit for batteries >40kwh... which it not likely to show up in a hybrid.... by the time you put that much battery in a pure EV makes vastly more sense....most hybrids are in the 10-18 kwh range for batteries.
The gas tank thing is only for the extra $3500 which as I say requires at least a 40.01 kwh battery as well, so hybrids make little sense here.
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larmor
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Maybe tesla could tape an add on gasoline tank at the time of sale...
20 gallon aftermarket addition. Installed at your local dealers (for a price).
Is there a unit limit per manufacturer? If not Tesla will probably still end up getting the majority of the $ benefit. I suppose there's some sort of cap on the total spending for this program.
BitJam
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That's to get the extra $3,500 BEV credit. IIUC, normal PHEVs (union made) will still get $8500 even with a small battery and a large gas tank. Union made BEVs will get at least $12,000.
Yes, I asked this question a few weeks ago, and someone showed me a screenshot of the EPA website which shows the Model Y classified as an SUV.
No unit limit, but since Ford and GM can just bolt a 10kWh battery and tiny motor onto any existing platform and collect more money than Tesla’s full BEVs, Tesla is not likely to collect the majority of the $$.
Within 2 years, every car, truck, van, and hamster is going to be a PHEV.
The only saving grace is they are still going to keep losing market share every year to Tesla; likely until they go out of business.
You need to smooth out your cerebellum. Factories, market share? Too complicated. Hertz buys? Whoooaa!
What counts as the buy date? I ordered a car last week but, of course, won't get it until next summer.
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I agree. It probably took a combination of Tesla ascendancy and Hertz desperation. Validation to both.
Edit: wow. What @Ogre said.
Whoa! Am I reading it right? On the second page, 1242, says the vehicle may have a gasoline tank of no more than 2.5 gallons.
edit: Maybe that is a restriction for the $3500 over the base amount of $4000.
edit: I don’t see the "domestic assembly qualifications" spelled out. Maybe those are elsewhere or are still in play or are under discussion?
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You paid an order fee. It’s not even a deposit. The vehicle sale happens whenever your car arrives at the dealer and you’ve made the initial $2500 payment or whatever it ends up being.
Options don’t trade after hours. Half of the total options traded in the market this week were for TSLA. Perhaps, “they” figured out a way to keep those options trades from overwhelming the “system.”
IMO, at the current rate of progress, FSD Beta should be close to robotaxi-ready even before Dojo is completed sometime next year. When Dojo fires up, progress will be very fast. Supercomputers are fast. By the end of 2022, I expect Tesla Network to be rolling out in some form somewhere.
This would make Elon's estimate from earlier this year late by one year, which is what ARK predicted.
Mostly OT: I highly doubt Elon is the richest person in the world.
Unlike the self-made upstarts listed in Forbes magazine, the richest people in the world got their money the old-fashioned way: inheritance and crime. They use their very large resources to stay out of the public eye, and control their wealth anonymously through shell corporations in tax havens around the globe. They probably pay Forbes researchers to keep them out of the magazine.
My evidence for this? Paranoia, logic, some reading about the Panama Papers and Pandora Papers, and observation of the amount of lying in media like Forbes magazine. If the financial media report something, odds are good that it is false.
Unlike the self-made upstarts listed in Forbes magazine, the richest people in the world got their money the old-fashioned way: inheritance and crime. They use their very large resources to stay out of the public eye, and control their wealth anonymously through shell corporations in tax havens around the globe. They probably pay Forbes researchers to keep them out of the magazine.
My evidence for this? Paranoia, logic, some reading about the Panama Papers and Pandora Papers, and observation of the amount of lying in media like Forbes magazine. If the financial media report something, odds are good that it is false.
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Fun Fact: I created a spreadsheet on 1/25/2021 (2 days before 2020-Q4 Earnings) to predict the date on which I would become a Teslanaire.
I got there 6 weeks ahead of schedule.
HODL. Advise.
#PowerOfMath
Cheers!
I got there 6 weeks ahead of schedule.
HODL. Advise.
#PowerOfMath
Cheers!
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