I don't even understand why GM put in graphs like these. There's absolutely zero purpose besides trolling yourself.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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What Elon Musk Really Believes
In trying to read his motivations, both left and right seem to be getting Musk wrong
Very good and not too long article and analysis in Time magazine on Elon Musk.
Take some time and read it. Worth it.
Teaser:
... the lesson of Musk’s career is to take his ambitions seriously. He’s rich not because he gamed the system but because he’s a genius who uses the incredible force of his will to mobilize resources to pursue his ideas. He’s devoted himself to tackling what he views as humanity’s biggest problems, and he has decided, as he put it recently, that “having a public platform that is maximally trusted and broadly inclusive is extremely important to the future of civilization.” Elon Musk has picked the next hard problem he wants to solve. Democracy could depend on whether he succeeds.
The fed has already started raising interest rates last month. Fed job is to mange economy, not the stock market (Which is often detached from the economy).
This chart is a bit of an aberration. GM spent the past 2+ quarters cleaning up the previous 5+ years of screw ups. The 2 quarter zero sales is largely due to servicing their battery recall. While that itself says a whole lot about GM, the chart doesn’t really give much useful information about what their future prospects are in the market.
Once LYRIQ deliveries start and Bolt deliveries resume they will recover a bit.
If they were competing against Ford and VW, they might stand a chance. Against Tesla it’s like trying to relight a candle next to a bonfire. Their sales can increase as their actual share declines.
Tesla went from down 12 to flat after hours not long after Microsoft gave some refreshing guidance and soothed some fears. MSFT, btw, is up 15 AH. Perhaps tomorrow buyers will come back
EDIT : TSLA now green after hours
EDIT : TSLA now green after hours
No one wants EVs and here's the graph to prove it. Pretty sure GM still believes EVs are a passing fad.
Thumper
Active Member
In addition to the “normal” market anxiety from Elon’s purchase of Twitter, the ongoing war in Ukraine is a very reasonable giant drag on everything. Think of various ends to the conflict. Some are catastrophic and no end is really on the horizon. It also exacerbates and interferes with climate mitigation. Although Elon has done what he can to help, the problem is ongoing and resolution is out of our hands.
Generally agree, but it still has these little false memes, that burrow into peoples' minds. Like printing "[Musk slimed] a heroic cave diver as a “pedo guy,”" without any added context that it was an in kind retaliation to a unprompted vulgar attack. Also how he "defied local public-health authorities to keep his factories open as the pandemic raged, putting workers at risk" - missing context being that Tesla was the only car maker in the country still forced closed by the decision of a single local level unelected official, and workers could elect to stay at home if concerned. Bothersome narrative building on false premises.What Elon Musk Really Believes
In trying to read his motivations, both left and right seem to be getting Musk wrongtime.com
Very good and not too long article and analysis in Time magazine on Elon Musk.
Take some time and read it. Worth it.
Teaser:
... the lesson of Musk’s career is to take his ambitions seriously. He’s rich not because he gamed the system but because he’s a genius who uses the incredible force of his will to mobilize resources to pursue his ideas. He’s devoted himself to tackling what he views as humanity’s biggest problems, and he has decided, as he put it recently, that “having a public platform that is maximally trusted and broadly inclusive is extremely important to the future of civilization.” Elon Musk has picked the next hard problem he wants to solve. Democracy could depend on whether he succeeds.
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JRP3
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Of course, I'm just trying to channel what Mr. Market is thinking, or wants people to think he's thinking.
There was not a single publication I remember gave the full context or the full quote: "Let Musk stick his submarine up his ass".
Lol..didn't realize it was from their deck.
They're not really your friend?
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It's a 5:1 asset to debt ratio. In the event TSLA dropped 40% he'd need to cover either with more shares, other assets, sell some equity, sell Twitter. If he sold TSLA that would probably have an effect on top of whyever it dropped in the first place.
Interesting question is if the holding company can buy derivatives on TSLA (Musk can't).
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MountainRatMat
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Since I'm not fully versed in the options market couldn't you just buy back those covered calls and close out the position? Pardon my ignorance here.
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
It really doesn't matter if Elon is selling or banks are buying massive put positions. Or selling to hedge as well. Elon is putting a massive but manageable stack of his chips on Twitter, and it seems like it's having an impact on the share price. Or certainly making it easier to push down.
We'll find out when we get official notice or Elon clarifies at some point. I think we covered all the bases, so let's give it a rest.
We'll find out when we get official notice or Elon clarifies at some point. I think we covered all the bases, so let's give it a rest.
If MMS want to try to entice this scenario
… it’s only fair for Tesla to provide some product updates
Also A CT update should take some wind out of the F 150 - time to remind market on the tug of war and who the tough guy really is
Not sure if posted yet - but details of Twitter deal revealed today include a $1 billion break fee for Musk or Twitter if either of them backs out of the deal.
Now that I have a chance, I looked this up and it appears that Elon would be within the 20 day window post earnings, in which he would be able to sell shares without having a previously approved selling plan. We'll probably find out soon, but I'd bet he sold shares today.
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