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Knowing what we know about these systems, the OEDRs, and how the camera + other sensor data are interpreted, I think someone who works or does research in this area could probably put together all sorts of specific scenarios that would capitalize on weaknesses in object detection/response and other facets of the technology.
On the flip side, exposing weaknesses is probably the best way to force improvement
Guess it was. The bottom was just 76 cents away from the 200 days moving average to pick up the stop loss orders.
.. and you can charge while you are being towedSlightly OT, but it’s to close the thought that AAA has trucks out there charging stranded EV owners: this program was suspended in 2019.
Bolt, Leaf, and Tesla Owners Take Note: AAA Temporarily Suspends Emergency Battery Electric Vehicle Charging Program
AAA's emergency electric vehicle charging program has been suspended for now. Towing remains the only viable option.www.torquenews.com
It’s easier to just tow to a charger. And probably faster.
Technically you only need to be towed half the distance to the supercharger site.
Strong disagree, as publishing a video that screams "TESLA AP KILLS CHILDREN" is not the way to "force" improvement.
It's not the most agreeable method, but something tells me addressing that weakness will be moving up Tesla's list of priorities
Very few people have any idea how this technology really works or that changing some size parameters, coloring/patterns, or any number of other things could easily mess with object detection
I prefer white hat hacking which is believe supports the community and if you get a reward, then great.
I do not condone or support black hat hacking which is what I believe Dan is doing in a very public and harmful way.
VRUs is already a paramount focus of the Tesla AP team. The "test" performed by Dan was completely fraudulent and of no value to the public safety.
Captkerosene
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O'Dowd's video is garbage, but the concept that FSD is not safe without very close monitoring is not.
Our only response to O'Dowd should be that the driver is 100% in charge. That the autopilot is still very early in the learning mode and requires the driver to be even more attentive than driving without it. Which, from my experience is true.
Telling people that it isn't "safe" - but then winking at them saying that it really is - will not go well with juries.
The reason accidents are so low while on FSD is because the drivers are scared half the time. They're worried that the car will randomly swerve into oncoming traffic and are watching things like a hawk.
FSD being safe is questionable. The FSD program Tesla has implemented is very safe as proven in the data. They provided people a year worth of FSD beta performance videos by youtubers, precisely tell you what to expect from their disclaimers, strike you out if you are not paying attention, and have people take a safety score test. Lastly Tesla has zero responsibility if the car hits something as they clearly tell you that you are in control which prevents complacency.
All these senators, Cummings, and Dan are attacking the FSD program...which has already proven to be safe. We should be expecting ~40 injuries by now just based on national statistics of 84 injuries per 100M miles driven. However we have yet to hear of 1. They can beat a dead horse all they want but Tesla has all the receipts.
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This is completely contradictory to the messaging received from Elon/Tesla over the years and is surely why hyperbole is now coming from the other side: because Tesla was posting videos back in 2016 purporting a self-driving vehicle where the driver was in the seat only for legal reasons. And then the hyperbole following that, claiming functionality right around the corner that still hasn't materialized years later.
The next question I'd ask here is why the system doesn't detect objects below a certain size right in front of the vehicle. Is it inadequate camera placement? Is the system simply not trained to detect objects that low and that close to the vehicle? If so, why isn't it trained?
MountainRatMat
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What Dan is doing is not hacking. I could paint street lines that go off a cliff and any lane following system from any manufacturer would drive the car off a cliff. That is not hacking.
What Dan is doing is very disingenuous with an alternate agenda attempting to attack Tesla.
Sticker on the back of the BMW iX involved in the accident. Why would a production vehicle have this? More questions.
thesmokingman
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BMW is on a roll with the fire recall and this L2 crash and fatality.
Park It Outside: 2022-2023 BMW iX and i4 Recalled Over Battery Fire Risk
2022-2023 BMW i4 and iX that were built within a nine month period between 2021 and 2022 could catch fire due to a defect in its battery cell manufacturing.
NHTSA guidelines and the priority is for larger objects first.
Tesla is pushing the boundaries of what can be done in a vehicle. Even lidar at slow speeds is challenged by small non-moving objects.
For instance an empty plastic bag caught by the wind is hard to detect.
He is hacking the system IMO like our best Tesla bear GJ. Finding shortcuts and cherry picking edge data to circumvent it's greater value while not showing the actual value. He is not showing how a slightly taller mannequin is 100% detected as an example.
Yeah the equivalent of pointing to Tesla having no demand because look at New Zealand
It’s in his official calendar for today after returning from Kiawah, SC.
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