Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[tslagreen]

6 mths ago we were at 300

2years ago, pre-split i was selling Jan 24 2800 strikes CCs for like $160 ... and even they got breached

Remember the good Ole days, lol.

 

[Eugene Ash]

6 mths ago we were at 300

2years ago, pre-split i was selling Jan 24 2800 strikes CCs for like $160 ... and even they got breached

Even famous 1880 calls are at risk now. @anthonyj - how many did your brother buy, so that MMs have to try that hard ; )?

 

[anthonyj]

Even famous 1880 calls are at risk now. @anthonyj - how many did your brother buy, so that MMs have to try that hard ; )?

How do you remember that those were long sold

 

[betstarship]

Welcome to the fight to avert climate change. I'd say we're in the ... 5th inning now?

 

[TrendTrader007]

Those on margin will get killed. i love margin as much as next guy but i'd rather weather out storm in Leaps instead of margin due to simple fact that when things go south on margin, you are always on hook to brokerage for margin loan, even if stock goes to zero. so, theoretically one could lose all of margin account plus owe negative balance. in real life your brokerage will force liquidate your account long before that point is reached. with leaps worse that can happen is you lose all your money but do not owe anything. and needless to say it's pretty crazy to have all your net worth in leaps. non-margined common stock is way to go for a sizeable percentage of net worth. as it is placing all your net worth in a single stock is a huge risk in itself, some of us are willing to take with tesla.
long term those who are on unencumbered common stock of tesla will be just fine. more than fine. not a prediction, just my personal opinion.
not financial advice

by the way, if this is not capitulation today then we are merely days away from capitulation. those who stay long will likely thrive and do very well down the road. again, not financial advice. do your own thinking. Devil takes the hindmost whether at the top or bottom

 

[Nocturnal]

Seems like we are setting up for a historic buying opportunity. I am really tempted to cash out my slow growing IRAs despite the tax penalty, as a better long term play with more liquidity. These bears are a getting so fat and juicy on the fear in this market. Hunting them and eating them is going to be so tasty. Just have to figure how to find the bottom or near bottom.

OT, but why not transfer to a self directed IRA instead?

 

[gtrplyr1]

He said he had a savvy investor friend who was shorting the S&P. Why not short Tsla as well according to that logic.

Great thing for Elon to tweet while Tsla is in free fall . Shows absolutely no sense or concern for investors … but we’ve come to expect this from him.

 

[CorneliusXX]

How does one go about forming a prayer circle?

I would never have thought my BTC would be the more stable investment this year. wowzers! I might have to sell it and load up on TSLA.

 

[CorneliusXX]

Even famous 1880 calls are at risk now. @anthonyj - how many did your brother buy, so that MMs have to try that hard ; )?

I remember thinking it was bananas at the time for someone to buy these calls. Amazing journey we are on.

 

[dhanson865]

You seem to be missing my point or ignoring it to nit pick a detail.

I think Tesla will do whatever it takes to make the vehicle cheap and efficient. I could care less about the exact details, as you say they are off in the weeds.

I agree with your overall point. I have no issue with that.

I do however think that the dozens to hundreds of people that read this thread might not know that smaller wheels don't mean smaller tires and felt it worth clarifying for all even if there was a chance you already knew, since your choice of words was inaccurate.

I don't think smaller wheels is off in the weeds, I think explaining physics as to why they are a good choice is off in the weeds.

I maintain that smaller wheels are a detail that should be used in future Tesla vehicles that will be made in larger quantities even if you don't think that detail matters.

 

[Unpilot]

CNBC, Steve Weiss is shorting Rivian, yet he says I'm not happy when anybody is down... lol wtf?

And then in closing the idiot hosts says, the CnD review on the R1S was bad mmmkay...

Look at CnD site and they give the R1S 8.5 out of 10. Yea ok? Wtf is CNBC on?

Oil

 

[tslalala]

Market share is only significant if the market in question is a fixed size (slice of a pie).
Otherwise, the important metric is how much pie you make.

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Also, it's a question of "which pie" is the best to use as a lens: only the EV car market or the total auto market of which EV is currently but a drop of (and will be greatly increasing in the future)

 

[trayloader]

Leo?

Dunno
But if you are that deep invested and don’t hear a peep from the founder you begin to wonder if it was all worth it. He was the one covering us instead of the ELON with the Scissorhands. Leo and Cathy who were there.

 

[StarFoxisDown!]

Let’s say 2023 forward EPS is actually a lot lower. Wouldn’t Elon be in deep shiznit for selling, since he has possession of MNPI? How could the market/Wall Street be THIS wrong? Is it possible that retail investors are overestimating forward P/E?

I understand how options/margin calls can cause a stock to tank, but this much without a bid? Not even a tiny bounce lol? Wtf I’ve been in this stock for 5 years and never seen something like this.

Yeah Dec has been an unreal thing to witness. Just non-stop downward pressure. The comparison to the Nasdaq/S&P is just nuts. TSLA's valuation metrics compared to others is just nuts.

And not a single bounce or even period of calm for the stock for all of December. You're telling yourself there has to be a relief rally somewhere...and nothing

 

[MABMAB]

I've been as close to vomiting as I've been in a number of years...

 

[JRP3]

4680 from Kato Road are dry-dry (Sandy)

As has been pointed out before Sandy is most likely wrong. He mistakes a fully absorbed minimal liquid electrolyte as somehow being related to a liquid free solid state electrolyte. It's completely different technology and we've seen no hint that Tesla has moved away from a liquid electrolyte, which would be huge news if it were true. He may also still be confused about the difference between DBE and electrolyte.

 

[dl003]

I've been as close to vomiting as I've been in a number of years...

Sorry to hear that. I haven't had anything to eat in a while so that's not an issue for me.

 

[tslagreen]

Yeah Dec has been an unreal thing to witness. Just non-stop downward pressure. The comparison to the Nasdaq/S&P is just nuts. TSLA's valuation metrics compared to others is just nuts.

And not a single bounce or even period of calm for the stock for all of December. You're telling yourself there has to be a relief rally somewhere...and nothing

It's almost as if the CEO has been selling. Oh wait.... I thought we might get a bounce at $150, then $140. When (not if) we hit $200 again, it will seem Nirvana-like.

 

[UkNorthampton]

no. Not enough unemployment yet. Plus, people are still revenge-travelling. Service sector must be shrunk. Goods inflation is already on a downtrend. Housing is lagging, but this is expected.

I don't think unemployment will grow much. Demographics, age, too many people out of the workforce and unwilling to go back unless forced. Even then, they might do lower paid, less specialist local jobs instead of their career job.

 

[Singuy]

Yeah Dec has been an unreal thing to witness. Just non-stop downward pressure. The comparison to the Nasdaq/S&P is just nuts. TSLA's valuation metrics compared to others is just nuts.

And not a single bounce or even period of calm for the stock for all of December. You're telling yourself there has to be a relief rally somewhere...and nothing

Well Elon's selling at stocks' critical support zones certainly broke the dam on margin calls which is leading to capitulation. Oh well. Has zero to do with Teslas fundamentals. Stock does stock things.