Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[unk45]

Over the past 12-18 months,

If this belongs anywhere at all, it is not here. Conspiracy generates clicks, though.

 

[Cosmacelf]

Over the past 12-18 months, I, too, have entertained the notion of whether or not Elon/Tesla is too anti-establishment, is moving too fast and furiously against the entrenched power structures. I’ve asked myself, “How will Tesla/TSLA fare under a single, centralized world government run by unelected, supranational organizations like the World Health Organization, World Economic Forum, Bank of International Settlements, International Monetary Fund, United Nations, etc?” I’ve slowly come to the conclusion that all of Elon’s companies embrace the overarching themes of the WEF’s Great Reset agenda: a one-world government where vaccine passports/digital IDs, a central bank digital currency, and an Internet-of-everything digital grid controls a global society through a social-credit rating system where, “You will own nothing, have no privacy, and where life has never been better.” In fact, I believe Elon is living up to his role as an alumni of the WEF’s Young Global Leaders program and is very pro-establishment/pro-WEF.

My thoughts are always evolving as I take in new information and process new ideas, but at this time I feel even stronger than ever in my conviction that Tesla will be the most valuable company in the world by market cap this decade, precisely BECAUSE Tesla/SpaceX/Neuralink product ecosystems hit on every major theme of the Great Reset digitally-controlled economic initiative. I’ll spell it out below.

(1) It seems clear to me that The Establishment (call it the WEF, whatever, that select group of billionaire CEOs, central banksters, heads of state, Wall Street insiders, etc) wants a global, cashless, single currency to make financial transactions swift, simple and secretive for them, while being opaque, programmable and controllable for the masses. A central bank digital currency achieves this. This is merely the continuation of the economic globalization trend we’ve witnessed our whole lives, from whatever corner of the globe you live. I’ve wondered about if what we’re seeing in the crypto space is The Establishment beta testing which crypto currency is best suited for a single currency. I don’t know, but Elon claims he owns Bitcoin, Doge (and Ethereum?). The point is, Elon, on the surface, seems to be on board with some form of digital currency, and I don’t know if it is still the case, but at one point Tesla allowed some purchases to be done with Dogecoin. The point here is Tesla seems to support digital currencies, so no anti-establishment friction there.

(2) Vaccines/injectable biotech. Elon seems supportive of helping governments make “vaccines” if chosen to do so. He claims to have taken covid injections, and will leverage Tesla resources in the future to support efforts in the future to make medical products like injections, ventilators, etc. at least if we are to believe his Tweets from the past; this is not “anti-establishment” in any way. Tesla/Elon does not challenge official government narratives or mandates like masking, social distancing or vaccines. In fact, during the plandemic, Tesla dutifully showed all employees at all times obediently wearing masks in all official Tesla videos, just as the WEF does in all their imagery. Elon/Tesla supports The Establishment playbook.

(3) Tesla embodies the internet-of-everything future. Nearly every single part of the ownership experience embraces digital tech, from the app to the car and beyond. Other than briefly talking to a Tesla sales or service rep, there is almost no human interaction in the ordering, buying and delivering of the vehicle. The internet-of-things rules at Tesla, and the internet-of-everything is the foundation of the WEF’s digital concentration camps for all.

(4) Privacy. Having a Tesla means having no privacy, just as the WEF supports. Like Apple, Google and Facebook, Tesla continues the tradition of zero privacy through an in car camera, the apps you use in the car, and knowing where your vehicle is the majority of the time, much like the rest of the Silicon Valley tech most of us wear each day.

(5) SpaceX and its worldwide communications satellites will allow the continued build-out of a world-wide internet system where no individual will be without official Establishment mind control. Personally, it seems impossible for me to believe that one man is going against The Establishment, and more likely that he is working hand-in-hand with the other oligarchs. Like the old saying goes, “If you can’t beat them, join them.” There is no way The Establishment would sit idly by while Elon and Co takes the whole cake; I’m fairly confident Elon, Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates and the WEF crew are practically bed-buddies, regardless of media appearances.

(6) Go to the Young Global Leaders website. At the top you’ll see a stream of images, one of which is Klaus Schwab addressing an audience. Scroll just a bit below that and you’ll find “Druid Collective: Discover how science and technology are being brought together to help those affected by paralysis walk.” There’s Neuralink for you. Again, someone has to actually build the internet-of-everything future: Musk and Co will be there every step of the way.

(7) AI, Autonomy and Robots. A digital control system requires remote learning, meetings, healthcare, transportation, energy and enforcement systems using AI and autonomous robots. Tesla is helping to usher in a future where you will obey your Algorithm’s insistence to “vaccinate” or your robot won’t drive you to work, you won’t get healthcare, can’t go grocery shopping, access education, receive a tax return, etc. Your transhumanist life will be controlled from afar by a social credit algorithm brought to you by the internet on your phone or Neuralink implant. Another green check mark for Musk and Co from The Establishment.

(8) Energy. Every aspect of life needs energy storage, production and transportation. And Tesla is involved in all three, with the additional benefit that it’s energy systems are integrated with semiconductor chips into one cohesive internet-based ecosystem. The Inflation Reduction Act simply turbocharges the construction of the energy-intensive internet-of-everything electrical grid.

Regardless of how Elon APPEARS to feel about the WEF, his ACTIONS throughout his various companies help only to broaden and strengthen the goals of a one-world government as desired by The Establishment. So do not worry, Tesla fits in perfectly with the technological oligarchy. And I believe Elon is playing his assigned “Maverick” role in this staged production, the anti-establishment hero (or villain depending on your political leanings), and is why we see this total world psychotic fixation on one man. The Herd likes a chew toy to gnaw on, and it makes story-telling easier for The Establishment when they can get The Herd to fixate on one thing, like Trump, or Elon, or Covid, or Ukraine. If the story gets too complicated The Herd loses interest or cries “conspiracy theory!” or some other officially-sanctioned epithet. Keeping it simple is the name of the game. Elon is probably just part of the simulation to convince us that something like a “free thinker” is still allowed: “One man, fighting the good fight, against those who operate above the law.” The Hero’s Journey. I don’t know. But what I do know is that If you step back and look at what Elon is DOING, rather than just APPEARANCES, it seems clear to me he is following the WEF edicts to the letter, helping to build out the digital control grid which will make us all digital slaves with programmable crypto, Establishment-assigned vaccine passports, and a social credit system like China’s, but on a global scale.

Regarding Elon and his WEF poll you reference, who knows what that’s really about—we could speculate all day. Is it to feed into the WEF’s desire to understand and quantify those of us who didn’t blindly fall into the covid trap? To harvest our thinking patterns to better build their user-engagement algorithms for the next plandemic? I don’t know. All we know are APPEARANCES, we have no actual knowledge of why Elon posted the poll or what it means. All that matters is Tesla is positioning itself well for the future, whatever the future might hold or who or what is really in charge. Organized crime beats disorganized democracy every single time because organized crime controls the money supply and its direction. Crime that pays is crime that stays.

Here in America we have the Netflix series called “Black Mirror.” I suggest people check it out if they can. It illustrates what an inescapable, globally-coordinated-from-the-top, dystopian techno-prison future looks like. Indeed, we are already there. The terrifying speed, efficiency and ruthlessness of the global shock-and-awe covid media blitzkrieg that convinced so many people to lockdown, mask, social distance, give up their Constitutional rights and take an untested injection (the administration if which violated the Nuremberg Code) should make anyone sit up and take notice. Life as we knew it was over, a “new normal” was here, and we better get used to it, we were warned. Tesla is integral in helping to build this restructuring of society. This is, in part, why us Tesla investors having nothing to fear. Money is flowing and will continue to flow our way because the global power apparatus is making this happen by brute force—the public be damned.

So sit back and enjoy the show. It’s just getting started. Tesla/Elon will do just fine. Not sure about the rest of us, though.


“If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn’t thinking.” —General George S. Patton

Are you nuts? Elon is not in any way shape or form a WEF adherent. He is pro individual, pro business, and anti government control and anti too much government regulation.

 

[unk45]

Are you nuts? Elon is not in any way shape or form a WEF adherent. He is pro individual, pro business, and anti government control and anti too much government regulation.

Don't bait the troll, please. Facts don't matter when they conflict with preconceived notions.
Slightly irrelevant perhaps, nobody who's ever been to WEF meetings is likely to find such assertions anything better than laughable. The problem is, such 'thought' is not funny at all.

 

[traxila]

If this belongs anywhere at all, it is not here. Conspiracy generates clicks, though.

This is true. Should have been posted elsewhere.

But the OP is not a troll, and the post is worthy as it challenges assumptions and is thought provoking.

It makes many points, and I don’t see how all of them can simply be dismissed.

And I consider you an excellent poster and asset to this forum. Thank you.

I will end this here.

 

[JRP3]

The above bolded are known as “weasel words”. As far as “TA is no good” and that the above is “purely speculative opinion”, on that we can agree!

The dude posts 99% nonsense, in between rage quitting the forums "forever". Rinse and repeat.

 

[scaesare]

according to IRDA they sold and shipped 24 of these. No mention of Tesla, are you saying Tesla purchased all 24 of these.

Gigapress


in this BMW video, they mention the rear is casted. I don’t know if it’s done with a gigapress, but it very well could be.

I said nothing about Tesla being their sole customer, so unsure why you would ask if I was saying that. What I said was; "Tesla designed the gigapress in conjunction with IRDA ... They literally helped make the thing. And their metallurgy team developed a custom alloy needed to use it. They just might have some IP and secret sauce there."

That was in response to you saying that anyone can buy it and your assertion "But Tesla doesn’t make it or a hold any patents to it."

I was pointing out that coming up with the concept of casting an entire (section of a) car, and them working with the tool manufacturer to build that tool, and formulating a new alloy to use with it, puts them in a different class than some manufacturer who orders one from a catalog.

 

[Mark Alset]

Thoughts on the $500 price increase for LR AWD Y? At one level, reduces opportunity to get buyers to max out options and get as close to $55k as possible--previously one could select two $1000 options (from white seats, tow hitch, different color). Now can only select one option and price will max out at $54,490 (vs $54,990 with two $1000 options options).

I suspect this is more to "encourage" everyone who placed an order to keep the order as-is, so Tesla can better plan what to build to maximize output for this quarter. And this will reduce build complexity, which may help them increase production rate. Lastly, may also encourage anyone who is on the fence to get their orders in asap, for fear the price will be bumped up again. So I guess there are multiple good reasons to increase price.

 

[JRP3]

Apparently there was some technical related trading halt on a number of stocks

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/investing/nyse-halt-stocks

 

[Mengy]

Thoughts on the $500 price increase for LR AWD Y? At one level, reduces opportunity to get buyers to max out options and get as close to $55k as possible--previously one could select two $1000 options (from white seats, tow hitch, different color). Now can only select one option and price will max out at $54,490 (vs $54,990 with two $1000 options options).

I suspect this is more to "encourage" everyone who placed an order to keep the order as-is, so Tesla can better plan what to build to maximize output for this quarter. And this will reduce build complexity, which may help them increase production rate. Lastly, may also encourage anyone who is on the fence to get their orders in asap, for fear the price will be bumped up again. So I guess there are multiple good reasons to increase price.

I'd say it's good from a production point of view, but the price increase drastically reduces customer freedom when configuring a MY now, so I'd also say it's bad from a consumer point of view. Personally I'd rather Tesla just let the price where it was as it seemed optimal to me yesterday.

 

[ElectricIAC]

Not sus at all.

 

[GOVA]

Folks. Before posting, do remember to renew your meds. Especially, if your posts are rare.

 

[Discoducky]

Is there a source, that anyone can point to, that talks about when and where the Joe and Elon Giga Semi announcement will be made?

Is it today or tomorrow, what time, Giga Nevada or Austin? My Google foo is failing me...

Sawyer's post references the SOTU address Joe gave, so I assume this is happening today?

Tesla to Unveil Plan For $3.5 Billion Advanced Semi Factory in Northern Nevada | Torque News

We just got news that the Nevada Governor, Joe Lombardo, has announced in his State of the Union address a $3.5 billion factory for the Tesla Semi in Northern Nevada.

www.torquenews.com

"Many questions are being asked as this is very recent news. Will this be in addition to their plant in Sparks, Nevada, or will it be a separate facility."

 

[Madmolecule]

I said nothing about Tesla being their sole customer, so unsure why you would ask if I was saying that. What I said was; "Tesla designed the gigapress in conjunction with IRDA ... They literally helped make the thing. And their metallurgy team developed a custom alloy needed to use it. They just might have some IP and secret sauce there."

That was in response to you saying that anyone can buy it and your assertion "But Tesla doesn’t make it or a hold any patents to it."

I was pointing out that coming up with the concept of casting an entire (section of a) car, and them working with the tool manufacturer to build that tool, and formulating a new alloy to use with it, puts them in a different class than some manufacturer who orders one from a catalog.

Not sure if any of that is true. I believe it is closer that IRDA educated Tesla on the proper use an application of the gigapress. The company has been around for a while and probably knows a little bit about metallurgy. Not as much is the smartest guy on the planet that knows more about manufacturing than anybody, I’m just saying they have a little bit of experience.. so are you saying Tesla holds the patent to this process and/or the metallurgy? I don’t think people just order it from a catalog but if that’s your belief, I can’t argue with you. Also, the 24 is just for the gigapress, they manufacture other presses, and I was under the understanding that Tesla works with two different manufacturers of presses

 

[Cosmacelf]

Apparently there was some technical related trading halt on a number of stocks

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/investing/nyse-halt-stocks

Probably just a glitch in various data feeds. I own a bit of T (don’t ask), and my feed showed a 10% gain briefly this morning which would have been massive, if true.

 

[Webeevdrivers]

Had an interesting conversation with a former work mate. He did a test drive in a 2023 model Y. (He has been in ours). He was dissapointed in the lack of parking sensors and parking tech for the price and class of the car. I was surprised to hear they hadn’t been restored to the new cars. I though the plan was to do all that with cameras.

Anyway. He has put his purchase plans on hold until he gets some clarification from tesla via email.

So is there a plan or is that just the result of an all vision car?

Thoughts?

 

[JRP3]

Jimmy thinks Elon needs a better lawyer, inverse Cramer Law means Elon has a great lawyer.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1617550618582827011

 

[Nocturnal]

Had an interesting conversation with a former work mate. He did a test drive in a 2023 model Y. (He has been in ours). He was dissapointed in the lack of parking sensors and parking tech for the price and class of the car. I was surprised to hear they hadn’t been restored to the new cars. I though the plan was to do all that with cameras.

Anyway. He has put his purchase plans on hold until he gets some clarification from tesla via email.

So is there a plan or is that just the result of an all vision car?

Thoughts?

Seems to be the same as what happened when radar was dropped. The actual hardware was taken away and then the functionality restored with vision a few months later. The plan is definitely to replicate that functionality.

 

[jw934]

In Germany Tesla dropped the leasing interest rate to 0.99% for model 3/y if you take delivery until March 31st. Financing rate dropped to 1.97% for 3/Y.

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Another change for German leasing is that whereas previously they were offered by Santander Bank, now Tesla finances the lease. That is one use of Tesla’s growing cash position. Loans are still through Santander.

 

[2daMoon]

I'd say it's good from a production point of view, but the price increase drastically reduces customer freedom when configuring a MY now, so I'd also say it's bad from a consumer point of view. Personally I'd rather Tesla just let the price where it was as it seemed optimal to me yesterday.

Consider how this restriction allows Tesla to put out more "cookie-cutter" production runs. This strategy could improve production rate and reduce costs. Logistics can be helped as well as loads of these several common option combinations can be sent to the destinations and the orders will be associated with them enroute, or, on site.

It is a burden for the consumer who wants it all, low price and a wider option selection, while still qualifying for the tax credit.

Having a limited selection for the items on sale is something everyone can relate to, and it furthers the mission by getting more bums in seats as @UkNorthampton has so succinctly mentioned previously.

 

[unk45]

for those who believe TA is no good:..

Most of us who might be included in your 'no good' category could include me, I imagine.
Given that several decades of my life involved rather extensive use of what could be called Technical Analysis it seems appropriate to give context.
The best tools can give substantial value, in the aggregate. For specific trades and actual investment choices they are crude and inaccurate. For very large portfolio evaluation, gross loss prediction or market maker and investment manager risk assessment they are invaluable.

For direct market movements they are far less useful, and for individual investment decisions they yield confirmation bias equivalent to casino 'systems'.

Despite those facts promoting TA as good retail decision tools is not normally wise. Why? Because of such issues, statistical concepts such as "Standard Error of Estimate" and "confidence level" coupled with the widely prevalent error of confusing correlation with causation. Those issues are only a beginning. The net result of those is an overwhelming susceptibility to 'black swan events' when the world is full of 'black swans'.

Those characteristics make many very, very clever people make gigantic profits followed with gigantic losses. Their very lack of accuracy is covered with enormous precision.
Clue: if there is a very precise prediction it's sure to be incorrect!