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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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100% agree. Having made about 115,000 Tesla road trip miles since 2013, I can assure you that it's a much nicer experience than the decades of ICE road trips prior to Tesla. Travel time is pretty much the same between the two. Waiting for $TSLA to pop so I can get either a Cybertruck or a new X (haven't decided yet).
Yeah. Why give people points for being disagreeable?
Probably same philosophy as everywhere: clicks and "engagement."
Many people respond more to things they disagree with...which, one way or another, means more add dollars somewhere. At least this site doesn't have an algorithm to deliver you even more of what you hate, just because you react to it
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lafrisbee
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More eyes in here than the rest of the board's threads combined. So I am going to ask ya all, too.
Has anyone seen a Cyberturd with the cyberlandr? I'll ask in the appropriate place as well (but I don't expect any answers there).
Has anyone seen a Cyberturd with the cyberlandr? I'll ask in the appropriate place as well (but I don't expect any answers there).
Cyberlandr hasn't been released, yet...so, no.
The CEO said they are close to being finished on the new design last week.
Not sure if they just haven't updated...but at least based on the Cyberlandr website FAQ: "There have been many prototypes and there will be many more before we ship. We will share info about some of those with the CyberLandr community (reservation holders). And we will unveil the final production prototype publicly before production begins."
So...it sounds like it's still a long way off and probably pretty unlikely anybody in the general public would have seen anything out in the wild yet.
And I still object to your ongoing use of the term Cyberturd.
Excellentamentemundo!
I agree with Steven here. Ford already has a prototype running Tesla FSD on a Ford vehicle with a license agreement.
Dare to disagree. But if you do, prepare to explain how Ford sold Argo AI claiming FSD was too far out, then suddenly they have the capability in less than 2 yrs with a description closely matching what FSD is on a Tesla?
I believe we'll hear the announcement on 8/8, GM's doubling down on Cruise $$$. I bet they pump it up and try to sell it off, or they become obsolete.
I agree with Steven here. Ford already has a prototype running Tesla FSD on a Ford vehicle with a license agreement.
Dare to disagree. But if you do, prepare to explain how Ford sold Argo AI claiming FSD was too far out, then suddenly they have the capability in less than 2 yrs with a description closely matching what FSD is on a Tesla?
I believe we'll hear the announcement on 8/8, GM's doubling down on Cruise $$$. I bet they pump it up and try to sell it off, or they become obsolete.
Knightshade
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CEO of Ford on this exact topic about the L3 system they are working on just a few weeks ago said:
He added it would likely only work in clear weather as well-
Jim Farley a few weeks ago said:
That doesn't sound like Tesla-licensed FSD at all
That sounds like a more expensive, more proprietary, more limited in intent and scope, solution they still haven't figured out how to make cost effective yet.
It's not like there aren't existing L3 and L4 solutions available elsewhere- they're just not economical to scale.
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Note on competition and illumination:
This morning I took my Volvo XC-40 Recharge to the dealer for the mandatory and free to buyer two year 'service'. The young and courteous service advisor told me it would take 1/2 hour because they just change the a/c filter, change wiper blades, top off windshield washer, wash the car and that's it! He, a well-versed young man noted that if I had a Tesla there would not be even that. My sales person was still there and watching and said but he has a Tesla. Lucky for us they aren't sold here yet. I, strangely compelled to a spoiler, said, yes, but there si BYD. Both laughed and said, that's why our company just acquired a BYD franchise.
The foregoing happened in Rio de Janeiro three hours ago.
If Tesla came here, preceded by a Supercharger network, they'd do very very well. The only thing holding back mass adoption here is lack of adequate charging infrastructure.
This morning I took my Volvo XC-40 Recharge to the dealer for the mandatory and free to buyer two year 'service'. The young and courteous service advisor told me it would take 1/2 hour because they just change the a/c filter, change wiper blades, top off windshield washer, wash the car and that's it! He, a well-versed young man noted that if I had a Tesla there would not be even that. My sales person was still there and watching and said but he has a Tesla. Lucky for us they aren't sold here yet. I, strangely compelled to a spoiler, said, yes, but there si BYD. Both laughed and said, that's why our company just acquired a BYD franchise.
The foregoing happened in Rio de Janeiro three hours ago.
If Tesla came here, preceded by a Supercharger network, they'd do very very well. The only thing holding back mass adoption here is lack of adequate charging infrastructure.
Was surprised to see that Brazil generates 90+% of electricity from renewables - so I think EVs will do well
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I like to supply my rationale for disagrees: I get that you aren't a fan of the Cybertruck, but the sophmoric name reference just makes it appear juvenile.
Knightshade
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FWIW, there's nothing about Teslas that make you exempt from needing wiper blades or your washer fluid topped off-- and the A/C filter does indeed need to be changed every 2-3 years (depending which model and filter you have) same as the Volvo--- though if you live someplace with Ranger service they'll come do it at your house... (not for free though- the wiper blades aren't free either-- they HAVE topped off my wiper fluid free though!)
I agree. Not FSD. Instead, it sounds to me like BS.
This is not what I expect from Farley. Quite a head-scratcher.
Elon sometimes gets hammered for not providing crucial details, but Farley's pronouncements on this are ridiculous. What is he actually talking about?
Such a lame argument. And no, I won't point out what you conveniently left off. Back on the block you go!
Knightshade
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I literally quoted the CEO of Ford. In full sentences directly from his mouth.
The most likely reason you won't point out what I "conveniently left off" that changes anything is that it doesn't exist.
You claimed what Ford was promising sounded just like Tesla FSD, when it explicitly does not per Fords own CEO- then when presented with proof you're mistaken you just gaslight the evidence, refuse to support your own argument in any way, and put the poster who took YOUR OWN advice to provide basis for any disagreement with you on ignore.
I agree there's a lame argument here, but it ain't mine. Enjoy your echo chamber and being disappointed on 8/8 I guess.
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Don TLR
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Good to see a few Cybertrucks at the Overland Expo West in Flagstaff and this setup had a quite lot of visitors showcasing EV's and off grid camping.
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Besides being struck by the article's comment (from a stock analyst, though) that Tesla's 4680
cell yield is only 20%, there is another tidbit with more veracity which intrigues me.
That is, the LG cell can envelopes, made out of nickel-plated steel, weigh 70-80 grams each.
Assuming 75g and 1360 cells per Cybertruck, that's 102kg (225 lbs.), a significant fraction
of the Cybertruck battery pack weight (720 kg/1590 lbs. from EPA documentation cited by
Wikipedia).
So, why not go to aluminum for the cans, saving much weight? Here's some technical info
from a 4680 specialist, indicating only 28 grams for their version, with claims of competitive
strength relative to 78 gram steel:
Aluminium 4680 Cell Can Structural Performance - Battery Design
With cell to pack and cell to chassis battery designs we need to look at the Aluminium 4680 Cell Can Structural Performance.
www.batterydesign.net
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