Is there a time cutoff for when this filing would have to be posted tonight? For the record, I agree the chances are tiny that he sold shares. It does not make sense when the deal will not probably happen for months.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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It IS kind of humorous when put like that. But most of us are looking at it from the perspective of how TSLA will be valued in the future. Not the short term.Only on TMC where we can buy $TSLA shares....see it lose 20% of its value and chalk it up as a win!
When the alternative was riding NFLX and AMZN out for 60% and 30% losses respectively... yeah I consider it a win.Only on TMC where we can buy $TSLA shares....see it lose 20% of its value and chalk it up as a win!
I'm laughing but I'm crying too.
willow_hiller
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Filing deadline is 10 PM Eastern (thanks mongo). And the SEC FAQ says documents appear online 1-3 minutes after they've been accepted. So presumably the SEC could take their time accepting the document, but I'm not seeing a Form 4 for Elon this week yet:
EDIT: Opened up a few of Elon's previous filings to see the timestamps, and the latest "Accepted" timestamp I saw was 21:42 (9:42 PM), and the earliest I saw was 18:23 (6:23 PM). So it seems like the SEC can take their sweet time on posting forms if they want.
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StealthP3D
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Maybe I can help you understand this. Yes, people are stupid and gullible and Elon's not going to fix that by buying Twitter. But it's normal for people to be stupid and gullible - it's a human trait because we are not as smart as many of us think we are. This has always been the case.
The really big problem facing humanity right now, the newest problem since we became aware of global climate issues, is that the tools people use to communicate with each other are amplifying their stupidity, hatred and ignorance and threatening to bring down all that is otherwise normally good about democracy and even capitalism itself. These communication platforms have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to amplify stupidity, hate and ignorance. Elon cannot prevent stupidity, hate and ignorance from existing, but he can reconfigure the communication platforms so they do not amplify the very things that are threatening humanity. This could change the trajectory of human civilization for the better and it's something that can be done without taking sides with liberals or conservatives.
It can be done while respecting people's right to speak their minds. It can be done while using open-source code and transparent rules instead of current rules that are hidden, mysterious and opaque. The current platforms are broken and they need fixing. And it is urgent if Elon is to carry out his other missions. That is why I say there is a strong synergy between the mission statement of Tesla and fixing social media. The only way to fix the biggest problems facing humanity is for all people to come together and that is currently not possible given the way information is disseminated and analyzed in the current state of reality.
If Elon came out and said that they want to change the way the platform promotes information so that it promotes factual information and just lets false information fall to the bottom of the barrel that would be greeted by cheers. He hasnt said that. Doesnt need to block anything, but the most vile and direct calls for violence against people.
I'm reading this as 10pm for ownership reports like Form 4
"The acceptance date is not the same as the official filing date. If a filing is submitted after 5:30 PM or 10:00 PM EST, for non ownership reports and ownership reports respectively, it will not be deemed filed with the SEC until the following business day (except for the "T+3" filings, made pursuant to Rule 462(b), which will receive the date of the actual filing)."
SEC EDGAR Hours of Operation and Holidays - SEC EDGAR Deadlines
Edit: which explains the time code on this one from November: EDGAR Filing Documents for 0000899243-21-044242
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Maybe it’ll go to zero!
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Oh, I don't know about that.... unless you exclude damages. /s
Remember that Jr. Trader in Singapore that fat-fingered $4B is losses? Then hid it from his boss? (for a while, anyway)
Cheers!
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I've noticed a small but important change in the way mainstream media classifies TSLA... as a mega-cap tech stock. Now, our reaction may be something like "no $#!+" or "about time", or something even more cynical like "conveniently when big tech is in bear market territory". But it wasn't long ago that Tesla wasn't even considered an auto company by these nitwits. We are finally starting to see an acceptance in mainstream media of what we've known for a long time, and that'll gradually impact the way the public perceives TSLA as well.
Separately, I'd be very interested to see the daily order chart for these last 2 weeks. Not that Tesla will show it off like they did to highlight the Superbowl effect, but I wouldn't be surprised if the 24/7 coverage of Elon's Twitter purchase had a positive short term impact on sales.
Separately, I'd be very interested to see the daily order chart for these last 2 weeks. Not that Tesla will show it off like they did to highlight the Superbowl effect, but I wouldn't be surprised if the 24/7 coverage of Elon's Twitter purchase had a positive short term impact on sales.
mars_or_bust
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(don't understand the most liked tweet - never heard of Boseman till now)
There is a lot of talk on the forum about Elon selling shares. I'm thinking that maybe his Co-investors in twitter are may also be investors in TSLA and that they might need to sell some of there positions to fund the twitter deal.
TSLA being so liquid at these amounts, it’s probably a very good place to get some funds quickly and at a fair price.
It’s also an opportunity for funds like Ron Baron that are capped in % of portfolio to diversify in companies but stay invested in Elon.
TSLA being so liquid at these amounts, it’s probably a very good place to get some funds quickly and at a fair price.
It’s also an opportunity for funds like Ron Baron that are capped in % of portfolio to diversify in companies but stay invested in Elon.
I know this will be down voted but IDC. My prediction is Elon is selling a massive amount is shares. Also, like his Twitter acquisition, he's not reporting his transactions as he knows that will push the price down. So he will just take any legal challenges and fines. He will report once he is done selling.
If Tesla had missed Q1 would we be at like $600 right now? I hope the market decides that this amazon and apple money should go into a company that is actually growing profitably, and doesn't get worried about the R word.
I hope the market decides that this amazon and apple money should go into a company that is actually growing profitably, and doesn't get worried about the R word. I sure hope not.
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
Between Bezos leaving and my suspicion that the Covid stimulus to Amazon was coming to a close, I sold my AMZN at ~ 3450. At the time, I also thought it interesting that the stock price did not crater. I chalked it up to to an AAPL effect, meaning a wide-spread memory that losing S Jobs did not slow down AAPL.
So we're entertaining Elon fraud conspiracy theories now? Gotcha
Contrary to what my wife thinks about me...that i am idiot for having never sold 1 share of $TSLA since 2016 and just kept on buying whenever we had $$ to spare...i think i qualify as 'most of us' on here
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Here's some good perspective for HODL'rs:
Sawyer Merritt on Twitter: "Some stocks right now vs their 52-week high:" / Twitter
Sawyer Merritt on Twitter: "Some stocks right now vs their 52-week high:" / Twitter
- $AAPL: -8%
- $AMZN: -29%
- $TSLA: -29.8%
- $NVDA: -44%
- $PLTR: -63%
- $ARKK: -63.6%
- $LCID: -67.7%
- $CRSP: -69.6%
- $NFLX: -71.8%
- $ZM: -75%
- $BYND: -76%
- $ROKU: 79%
- $TDOC: -81%
- $RIVN: -87.9%
- $HOOD: -90%
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