Those of you who say FSD or the TeslaBot is a decade away...watch this.
I know it's apples to wheelbarrows...but stop and think how fast AI is moving.
I know it's apples to wheelbarrows...but stop and think how fast AI is moving.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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I nominate ZINCALUME steel as a product worth of consideration. Steel coated with zinc and aluminium
Many Australians have this on our roof and we are very glad to have if a heavy branch falls off an overhanging gum tree in a storm it will shatter a tile roof, it may dent the ZINCALUME roof, but the roof should stay watertight.
In costal QLD is common for a roof to need to be "re-screwed" after around 20 years, that is because the galvanised steel screws have rusted, if they are not replaced they will eventually cause the ZINCALUME steel to rust.
As far as I can tell ZINCALUME steel can be stamped via the regular process, it can certainly be bent,, Fixing to a car body can be via spot welds, rivets or silicone or some other glue. (I think we can rule out spot welds and probably rivets for plastic).
I think unpainted ZINCALUME panels would be fine for a Robotaxi, but not for a private car, unless the owner was happy with how the product looks naturally, washing, scrubbing or polishing the surface to retain a shiny look would probably remove the rustproofing, And personally speaking, I would not want my car looking like a Robotaxi.
It can be easily painted with no need to use primers, and only one side needs to be painted.
Cost is around $15 AUD a linear meter for a 1 meter wide corrugated sheet, a flat sheet should be cheaper. I estimate no more than 10 metres for a compact car.
Compared to plastic we need to consider:-
- Cost
- Environmental impact - CO2 emissions and recycling.
- Longevity
- Damage repair,
- Aesthetics
While I think ZINCALUME is a good material for the top of a car, plastic is a better product for the bottom, especially parts which don't get a lot of sunlight.
Tesla already has a lot of black plastic on the bottom of the car, and as per the bumpers, plastic can also be painted.
So some mix of ZINCALUME and plastic and let the science, engineering, cost and design find the optimal boundary.
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dhanson865
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already posted in this very thread recently (less than 24 hours ago) at Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
This suggests you either have heltok on ignore or you didn't read the thread to the current posts before adding your reply.
Uh huh, generative AI can start wars and ruin lives. I'm more scared of generative AI than FSDb missing a stop sign.
To me this is what the presentation from Ashok sounded like but you did write a bunch of "literally not what he said" so....@Knightshade
Whew. After the WSJ published a not-horrible article about Franz/Tesla, I was wondering if the world was OK. But today, Tim Higgins of the WSJ published an absolutely trash article painting Elon as a Putin stooge. I won't link the article because it is truly garbage. But I can sleep well tonight knowing the world is back to where it was.
Yeah, I missed it.
So you felt the need to reply.
Perhaps the next time I offer scrolling lessons, you might bite.
Musskiah
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Been outta the loop for some weeks on here. I don't know if this image has been discussed.
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I like it. Hot dipped galvanized (Zinc coated) steel can be slow cooled to produce gorgeous crystals, as in these photos. No two alike, like snowflakes. The zinc can eventually wear off with time (like paint for example), but over steel provides a robust barrier to rust and corrosion.
Yes, I also like the crystals and it does look great when it is new an shinny...
I've had a few sheets replaced here,,,, and it does still look good and shinny after about 2 months...
I am going to take an interest because the contrast between new and old is stark.. (old in this case is around 30-40 years old, with years of trees dropping junk on it and fair bit of the change is probably dirt.)
I also wonder if the zinc and aluminium act as a "sacrificial anode" then form a protective patina over the surface which helps slow further reactions...
Regardless, I am also a big fan of "sacrificial anodes"....
Buckminster
Well-Known Member
Looks like it is possible to homologate Cybertruck individually in Germany (not sure if this means Tesla could get a regular homologation for normal sales):
UkNorthampton
TSLA - 12+ startups in 1
At €485000 each - I'll have 2
Hence the corresponding price. Was able to take an order from the USA, had it converted and imported, it wasn't free!
It is the so-called Founders Edition with the well-known inclusive features.
Absolute rarity 2024!
Apple Vision Pro is also available for the overall feeling if you are interested...
Attract fascinating attention on the streets.
For personal reasons, I'm giving it away...
If you're interested in taking over the vehicle at the fixed price above, there are a few things to consider, private arrangements...
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Opinion:
I for one hope Tesla doesn’t go with stainless or galvanized or falcon wing doors or yokes or anything unconventional for the Model 2. I want it to look good but be conventional (except for great tech like 48V architecture). No wedges, no yoke, no unusual doodads.
Model 2 needs to appeal to the masses and sell in jaw-dropping numbers. That is going to be much more difficult when you go with something unconventional merely because the masses are closed-minded and often resistant to change, even if it’s potentially better.
The mission is not to see how different you can make the car look. The mission is to get as many people as possible driving Tesla’s cars. Moreover, anything unconventional will probably slow the ramp.
I for one will be disappointed if we get a Cybercar for Model 2.
I for one hope Tesla doesn’t go with stainless or galvanized or falcon wing doors or yokes or anything unconventional for the Model 2. I want it to look good but be conventional (except for great tech like 48V architecture). No wedges, no yoke, no unusual doodads.
Model 2 needs to appeal to the masses and sell in jaw-dropping numbers. That is going to be much more difficult when you go with something unconventional merely because the masses are closed-minded and often resistant to change, even if it’s potentially better.
The mission is not to see how different you can make the car look. The mission is to get as many people as possible driving Tesla’s cars. Moreover, anything unconventional will probably slow the ramp.
I for one will be disappointed if we get a Cybercar for Model 2.
zoomer0056
Active Member
Tesla is unconventional, electric cars are unconventional. Tesla is taking us out of the conventional ICE ages.
NO, NO, NO
Everyone (at least from the Boston area) knows that the official measurement is a SMOOT.
True story, back in the 70s, my friends and I also defined a similar unit of measure call the Bob. In real life, Bob was a horse jockey 5' tall and 100 lbs. It was a combination of length and weight - essentially a measure of Bob's density. But this metric had uniquely even numbers with the potential for wide use due to it's simplicity. "We could throw that rock at least 10 Bobs." or "Feels like 1/2 a Bob." This went on for years in fact.
Again, coming from Canada, it was important growing up that we had units that were simple to use. Then they changed to the metric system, so the Bob unit was no longer needed. Perhaps it is still useful in the USA.
But no! Those Americans had to come up with their own version called a Smoot. Does anyone here remember how long a Smoot is without having to look it up? But I bet you'll all remember what a Bob is... forever.
I have another buddy that thinks the reason the USA didn't change to metric in the was to keep the people stupid for better control of the populous. Sadly, this reason is possible. After all, they came up with calipers to measure in fractions of an inch. That's nuts!
Again, coming from Canada, it was important growing up that we had units that were simple to use. Then they changed to the metric system, so the Bob unit was no longer needed. Perhaps it is still useful in the USA.
But no! Those Americans had to come up with their own version called a Smoot. Does anyone here remember how long a Smoot is without having to look it up? But I bet you'll all remember what a Bob is... forever.
I have another buddy that thinks the reason the USA didn't change to metric in the was to keep the people stupid for better control of the populous. Sadly, this reason is possible. After all, they came up with calipers to measure in fractions of an inch. That's nuts!
Boat designers get off easy. They just ground a zinc anode in the water... done!
Hey, I wonder how much we've elevated zinc oxide levels in water from this?
Hey, I wonder if you could make a battery out of our lakes by now?
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Sorry to break it to you, but both 'steer-by-wire' variable-rate and the desire to retract the steering wheel from the cabin almost certainly requires some sort of yoke. We've seen literally a half-dozen iterations over these past few years as to what the 1st release may look like, but I think its highly unlikely to be a conventional circular steering wheel with a mechanical attachment to the steering rack.
Shape of the steering wheel is irrelevant to steer by wire. Retraction requires a void to retract into and could impact the deployment of the air bags.
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