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Test drove the Model Y, Model 3 and the Mach E back to back to back, yesterday
- Thread starter AlamoX
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The traditional OEM car manufacturers can make vehicles with excellent fit, finish, materials and paint. They are way behind on batteries, software, and system integration. Most of their offerings are assembled from supplier-sourced components. That results in lack of efficiency. Watch the KW/h vs range numbers. Tesla kills that by comparison, but is learning how to do fit, finish, materials and paint. Quickly. Not there yet, but getting closer.
If you skip the ICE vs EV issues (yeah I know, impossible), there are much better 50-60K vehicles than the M3 and MY that Tesla is producing. MS and MS, closer, but still wanting for lux features in a 100K+ vehicle.
CarPlay sucks.. i don't want to plug my phone in everytime i get in the car.. . also its overkill and non-elegant.. there is the car maps and carplay maps.. why do i need 2 sets of maps? i dont even need my phone in a tesla which in the end is much safer.. i could use a $120 adapter and have my phone die in a few hours but that seems like 10 steps back
Tesla maps uses google maps so if someone is happy with google maps they should be happy with Tesla's maps since they are the same map
ive also never seen anyone use all the paid services of youtube music, sirius xm, apple music, ... spotify is far and away the most popular streaming music app anyway
agree on the call integration it could use some updating but it works fine for talking on the phone..
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angus[Y]oung
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@gt2690b I'm not sure which adapter you're talking about. But to your point about plugging in: some newer vehicles feature support for wireless CarPlay and/or wireless Android Auto. I think when most of us are wishing Tesla would implement CP/AA, this is what we really mean (wireless).
Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't Tesla actually use Open Maps or something like that rather than Google Maps data? Regardless, it does lack reporting/warning of traffic incidents and speed enforcement etc that Waze/Google Maps would open up. Choice is nice, even if you only ever plan to use the Tesla maps/nav.
Yes Spotify is popular. Here's the thing: if you had CarPlay/AndroidAuto, you could just use whatever service(s) you like because they are basically guaranteed to have an iOS/Android app that supports them. What if you like artists that aren't on Spotify? Or maybe you got gifted a subscription (e.g. doesn't Apple give a free trial sub to Apple Music and Apple TV+ with new hardware purchases?) and you want to use that service? Or you have a preference for a different service for whatever reason. If Tesla supported CP/AA, you could just use those without hoping/waiting for Tesla to offer up their own app in their walled garden, or downgrading the experience to Bluetooth audio-streaming.
All very well said. I wont even bother debating his points.. as I've previously laid out why CarPlay is heads & shoulders above what Tesla offers.
That said I'll never understand why people like the guy you replied, seemingly do NOT want more streaming options. CarPlay's interface is completely optional in every instance where its installed in. If he doesn't want to use it (or somehow believe it sucks).. then noone is forcing him to use CarPlay at all. You just literally never need to click on the CarPlay icon. It honestly makes me believe people who complain about CarPlay in such a manner either have never used it.. or have an incredibly small amount of experience with it. Maybe they took a ride in a friends car with it. Especially since he is completely unaware that CarPlay is now completely wireless with many new 2021 vehicles.
You also nailed it with the service(s). I get Apple Music free with my Verizon wireless subscription. I get Youtube Music free with Youtube Premium (no ads!!). I get SiriusXM streaming free because my wife pays for Sirius satellite service in her vehicle, so I can use her login on my devices/vehicles. In other words I dont directly pay for ANY music streaming service, but I still get 3 of the most popular music streaming services available because I subscribe to OTHER services thanks to other services. Why would I want to pay for Spotify premium, when I have 3 services that are just as popular and work just as well and already covered through some other means of subscription.
CarPlay supports over 100 streaming apps and the library is constantly growing daily.. how many streaming apps does Tesla's interface support? Chances whatever streaming apps you already use, CarPlay will support years before Tesla's interface ever will. If ever.
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73Bruin
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For Navigation it seems to use Google Maps. For things like the Remote Control Door opener it seems to use Open Maps.
"CarPlay sucks.. i don't want to plug my phone in everytime i get in the car"
CarPlay in my BWM is wireless, even works when my iPhone is in my pocket. The phone connect to CarPlay using WiFi, a much faster connection than Bluetooth.
There are many cars with wireless CarPlay: https://www.cars.com/articles/wireless-apple-carplay-and-android-auto-where-are-they-now-407297/
As for traffic, I do not trust the Tesla navigation. I have been caught many times in construction traffic when using the Tesla. I tested against Waze, Google Maps and Apple Maps. For the latest traffic update, they are all superior to the Tesla maps.
CarPlay in my BWM is wireless, even works when my iPhone is in my pocket. The phone connect to CarPlay using WiFi, a much faster connection than Bluetooth.
There are many cars with wireless CarPlay: https://www.cars.com/articles/wireless-apple-carplay-and-android-auto-where-are-they-now-407297/
As for traffic, I do not trust the Tesla navigation. I have been caught many times in construction traffic when using the Tesla. I tested against Waze, Google Maps and Apple Maps. For the latest traffic update, they are all superior to the Tesla maps.
Its almost like you actually use CarPlay and understand what its currently capable of.. lol
73Bruin
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Maybe its location specific, but I find that Google Maps and Tesla Navigation track to the minute. Most recently, I had Google Maps up on my phone and used Tesla Maps in heavy traffic on the 405 driving to UCLA from Torrance. This is an 18.3 mile drive that can range from 30 minutes to well over 90 minutes. They started up with the exact same arrival times and kept in sync as I drove past 2 accidents. My wife tends to trust Google Maps, and she has double checked the Tesla Navigation app on other drives, in each case the were a match and a turn for turn match.
I've noticed the same. Also noticed that Waze is now off by several minutes its initial prediction, but when arriving at my final destination the time of arrival ends up being exactly what the in-car Tesla navigation predicted.
ucsdsig
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When I got my Model S back in 2016 I was hoping Tesla would implement CarPlay in the near future. I’ve given up hope at this point
I’m an Apple Music user so integration would be great. Still love the car though.
Wireless carplay drains phone batteries.. carplay is great in cars that don't have anything else but I prefer my car to not need my phone.. also my S has SiriusXM which works great when there is no cell service.. as for the 3 and y there are pretty nice aftermarket HUDS that have carplay ... My F150 has carplay but I usually prefer the native nav cause I don't want to fool with my phone
Bluetooth audio not good enough for you?When I got my Model S back in 2016 I was hoping Tesla would implement CarPlay in the near future. I’ve given up hope at this point
I’m an Apple Music user so integration would be great. Still love the car though.
ucsdsig
Member
With CarPlay integration, I could use the car’s display to change songs/playlists. Would prefer not to fidget with my phone while driving.
ucsdsig
Member
Yes, I’m well aware of that. That’s why I mentioned wanting the ability to quickly change playlists.
I just don't see much less fooling with phone unless you're talking wireless carplay.. plug phone in .. type stuff on screen vs tapping screen a couple times and back in pocket.. I prefer to leave phone in pocket the whole trip.. I mean maybe if you're changing playlists 10 times a trip it'd be nice but seems like splitting hairs
Tesla would likely add an apple music app before carplay though
The wireless carplay in the mach e is pretty tight but still clunky imo.. either it's draining my battery or railing the battery at 100% charge effectively killing my phone
angus[Y]oung
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@gt2690b the whole point of Car Play and Android Auto is that you interact with all those controls on the car's display instead of pulling out your phone.
I'm aware.. Only if wireless carplay.. plugging my phone in Everytime I get in the car is a lame hack
I find it useful in rental cars but rarely use it in my car that has it
