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Your arrogance is laughable. It is irrelevant about what you do or where you work. I am sure we would all be impressed at your acumen and experience. You apparently are. If you had any objectivity at all you would realize that what is coming out of Tesla is very spotty in quality. No consistency. Even Musk has admitted they have issues. Do you remember the Home Depot bamboo poles holding up the heat pump in early Model Y’s ? Yeah that’s real professional engineering. Maybe it’s about time Musk hired some seasoned professionals. If they were not so focused on cranking out vehicles with questionable quality maybe they would not be at the bottom of the JD Powers quality surveys.You're just stating exactly what I did - that my positive experience and your apparently very negative experience (or you have no experience at all and are just a troll, which given your account creation date and post history I'm beginning to suspect) are extremely small sample sizes and 100% in line with pretty much every automotive brand in the history of ever. I've been an auto enthusiast for decades and have frequented many forums from many different manufactures and its always the same - lots of positive experiences and plenty of negative ones; Tesla is no different and your complaints are just literal noise not unique to Tesla in any way.
I love that you seem to think a large manufacturing company like Tesla doesn't care about quality or even has a quality department, or that there is a way to "do quality" like its a one-time solvable thing I'll ask again, ya been around cars very long?
Just for reference I happen to work for a very large manufacturing company in the automotive-adjacent space, and we have a small group that makes a very particular component for Tesla. I remember a few years ago when we started this partnership with Tesla, this particular group had to nearly overhaul its entire quality/tracking system to meet Tesla's very stringent demands. At the time (this was years ago, around 2018 or so) I literally sat directly behind one of the lead MFG systems engineers that was writing code for this overhaul, and he was always saying how none of our partners or suppliers had ever put these kinds of demands on us, and we have always taken quality VERY seriously. He was frequently frustrated by what seemed like unreasonably high standards, but in hindsight makes sense given Tesla's highly iterative ultra-fast-paced development cycle.
You can say what you want about FSD, Cybertruck, or Roadster - your heels are clearly dug in here but it's just a matter of time before you're proven objectively wrong Some of us understand how difficult it is to build anything at scale, especially new and innovative physical products, and our expectations and patience are adjusted appropriately.
By the way, Tesla is in fact hiring a gazillion people, you can go on their website and see just how many positions they have open. Since you seem to have all their problems identified and consider them easy to solve, why don't ya apply for one and help em out!
Sounds like the same user that trolls on reddit. He has the same talking points as well and is also from CanadaUnless something has changed, @phonetele226 does not have a tesla. They said this in multiple different posts around when they joined:
They definitely have a pretty deep seated opinion on the brand, however. @phonetele226 , given your opinions of the brand, which are your own of course, I have zero Idea how anyone with your opinions would ever consider buying this product.
Your arrogance is laughable. It is irrelevant about what you do or where you work. I am sure we would all be impressed at your acumen and experience. You apparently are. If you had any objectivity at all you would realize that what is coming out of Tesla is very spotty in quality. No consistency. Even Musk has admitted they have issues. Do you remember the Home Depot bamboo poles holding up the heat pump in early Model Y’s ? Yeah that’s real professional engineering. Maybe it’s about time Musk hired some seasoned professionals. If they were not so focused on cranking out vehicles with questionable quality maybe they would not be at the bottom of the JD Powers quality surveys.
Don't you think that the demographics of buyers impacts the results of JD Powers surveys? Expensive cars surely have more finicky owners. Also, cheap cars have less complexity, so they have fewer things that can break. And I quote good old JD:Your arrogance is laughable. It is irrelevant about what you do or where you work. I am sure we would all be impressed at your acumen and experience. You apparently are. If you had any objectivity at all you would realize that what is coming out of Tesla is very spotty in quality. No consistency. Even Musk has admitted they have issues. Do you remember the Home Depot bamboo poles holding up the heat pump in early Model Y’s ? Yeah that’s real professional engineering. Maybe it’s about time Musk hired some seasoned professionals. If they were not so focused on cranking out vehicles with questionable quality maybe they would not be at the bottom of the JD Powers quality surveys.
Seven of the top 10 problem areas in the study are infotainment-related, including: built-in voice recognition (8.3 PP100); Android Auto/Apple CarPlay connectivity (5.4 PP100); built-in Bluetooth system (4.5 PP100); not enough power plugs/USB ports (4.2 PP100); navigation systems difficult to understand/use (3.7 PP100); touchscreen/display screen (3.6 PP100); and navigation system inaccurate/outdated map (3.6 PP100).
A very poor troll, he or she doesn't realize the condensation is normal. Our Tesla Service Center here in Burbank is literally 24 hours. The service here has been pretty stellar. In regards to quality, this poor woman's experience in regards to her ID4 hasn't exactly been great. Dealer response in regards to her issue "If we can't replicate the issue, we can't fix it" On a Tesla, pull up the log, boom done.
Ahh the good ole " hasN't hApPenEd tO mE bEfoRe!"Condensation is not normal in a tail light. And how do you explain it in one light and not the other ? They are in the same city. None of my other cars have this problem. You are the perfect candidate for Tesla shoddy engineering. Apparently if they tell you some observed fault is normal you will dutifully nod your head and carry on. Critical thinking would serve you well.
Dig deeper. The issues you quoted like Apple Car Play problems are not even relevant to Tesla. And cheap cars are just cheap but can have outstanding quality.Don't you think that the demographics of buyers impacts the results of JD Powers surveys? Expensive cars surely have more finicky owners. Also, cheap cars have less complexity, so they have fewer things that can break. And I quote good old JD:
Your arrogance is laughable. It is irrelevant about what you do or where you work. I am sure we would all be impressed at your acumen and experience. You apparently are. If you had any objectivity at all you would realize that what is coming out of Tesla is very spotty in quality. No consistency. Even Musk has admitted they have issues. Do you remember the Home Depot bamboo poles holding up the heat pump in early Model Y’s ? Yeah that’s real professional engineering. Maybe it’s about time Musk hired some seasoned professionals. If they were not so focused on cranking out vehicles with questionable quality maybe they would not be at the bottom of the JD Powers quality surveys.
Ahh the good ole " hasN't hApPenEd tO mE bEfoRe!"
Headlight Condensation - ClubLexus - Lexus Forum Discussion
GS - 4th Gen (2013-2020) - Headlight Condensation - Have had my 2015 GS350 F sport for over 2 years. I purchased the car at a dealer with 150 mile warranty and my house was over 200 miles away, so I knew it would be void when I arrived home, but everything checked out when I bought it. When. I...www.clublexus.comWhat causes condensation inside Ford F-150 headlights?
Fogged Ford F-150 headlights are caused by moisture, which is reflected in the form of water droplets on the headlights or on the lenses of the...www.wheelsjoint.com
I can literally go on with this, the consensus is that it's normal.
Want to grasp for straws be my guest !
edit: Do you even have a Tesla?
You're really grasping for straws there chiefWhy in one headlight and not the other ? Can’t wait for your technical response.
Unless something has changed, @phonetele226 does not have a tesla. They said this in multiple different posts around when they joined:
They definitely have a pretty deep seated opinion on the brand, however. @phonetele226 , given your opinions of the brand, which are your own of course, I have zero Idea how anyone with your opinions would ever consider buying this product.
Ahh the good ole " hasN't hApPenEd tO mE bEfoRe!"
Headlight Condensation - ClubLexus - Lexus Forum Discussion
GS - 4th Gen (2013-2020) - Headlight Condensation - Have had my 2015 GS350 F sport for over 2 years. I purchased the car at a dealer with 150 mile warranty and my house was over 200 miles away, so I knew it would be void when I arrived home, but everything checked out when I bought it. When. I...www.clublexus.comWhat causes condensation inside Ford F-150 headlights?
Fogged Ford F-150 headlights are caused by moisture, which is reflected in the form of water droplets on the headlights or on the lenses of the...www.wheelsjoint.com
I can literally go on with this, the consensus is that it's normal.
100% agree with your post and want to point out that when people are saying "fanboy" or "troll," what they're doing is, by definition, an ad hominem attack instead of addressing the issue. Ad hominem attacks are not allowed here because they are a low bar for actual discourse.Not all positive opinions are fanboys, and not all negative opinions are trolls.
This is a moderated forum. It's not a public square. You may want to spend time reading the site rules.I don’t think censorship is the way to go in an open forum
Agree always attack the issue and not the person.100% agree with your post and want to point out that when people are saying "fanboy" or "troll," what they're doing is, by definition, an ad hominem attack instead of addressing the issue. Ad hominem attacks are not allowed here because they are a low bar for actual discourse.
This is a moderated forum. It's not a public square. You may want to spend time reading the site rules.
100% agree with your post and want to point out that when people are saying "fanboy" or "troll," what they're doing is, by definition, an ad hominem attack instead of addressing the issue. Ad hominem attacks are not allowed here because they are a low bar for actual discourse.
This is a moderated forum. It's not a public square. You may want to spend time reading the site rules.