The success of FSD and my increase for trust in Tesla

I paid 10 grand and now my already great Model Y now drives itself through my town. It slows down for speed bumps, handles four ways on its own, swerves around bikers and parked cars who's doors are open. It handles the 5 and the 405 quite well too!

Obviously it's not perfect and can do the wrong thing at the wrong time and has a price tag you don't like. But dude the car is literally driving itself. Do you own another car that can do that? Does your $80,000 Bronco do it? Your $90,000 lightning that hasn't even been delivered yet? Maybe your R1T will have lane keep assist when it's delivered to you in 2023 lol.

Haters are going to hate Tesla until they're blue in the face, but no matter what haters say Tesla actually delivered here on FSD and my Model Y is the only SUV (apart from the X ) that will drive and park itself. My trust in Tesla has only gone up because it's clear they're perhaps the only company in the world bold enough to build FSD and actually give it to real customers. Ford Blue Cruise works on like 1 highway... FSD works on back alley streets in the Hollywood hills.

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[OncomingStorm]

The Tesla Vision solution is a miracle, but I believe in lidar because of its reliability

i agree that currently lidar seems more reliable, but the argument against it makes a lot of sence. since lidar can't differentiate between objects you still have to fall back on vision to determine if the object is an object of interest/concern. so if your using vision to confirm lidar results anyway, why even have the lidar? and then of course there is the resource cost, lidar puts out a TON of false positives that must be again verified and dismissed. so, IMHO, while vision currently seems a little less precise, i fully anticipate it will eventually win out.

 

[CyberGus]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508148604149587972

I wonder if Karpathy will drive his own car...

 

[ShelJW]

I heard that Mercedes has released the first Level 3 self-driving, for France.

What's really remarkable is, they have said they will take full responsibility of any accidents while the car is in full self driving mode!

However, it's only approved so far in France, they are supposedly seeking approval in California next (everyone knows we're all nuts here)

Couple of negatives, though... ONLY works on mapped roads, and ONLY up to 37mph.

I would imagine most mapped roads would be freeways, and how often are you driving 37mph or slower on the freeway?

It is impressive that they will take full responsibility. That's what manufacturers need to do, if they want to instill confidence in their system with their customers.

 

[Dewg]

I heard that Mercedes has released the first Level 3 self-driving, for France.

What's really remarkable is, they have said they will take full responsibility of any accidents while the car is in full self driving mode!

However, it's only approved so far in France, they are supposedly seeking approval in California next (everyone knows we're all nuts here)

Couple of negatives, though... ONLY works on mapped roads, and ONLY up to 37mph.

I would imagine most mapped roads would be freeways, and how often are you driving 37mph or slower on the freeway?

It is impressive that they will take full responsibility. That's what manufacturers need to do, if they want to instill confidence in their system with their customers.

This is awesome! Competition is excellent for the market. I've read about systems that rely on hyper-accurate mapping to navigate, which geofences them a bit. I'll be curious to see how it performs when the maps are inaccurate - such as heavy construction zones. Southern California is on a big infrastructure kick right now and roads/freeways/bridges are being worked on en-masse. Many roads and freeways are having their lanes shifted for a few years while they work on construction. A major road where I live even had lanes re-painted and shifted, where the right lane used to be a straight-through, and is now a right-turn only lane during construction.

 

[S4WRXTTCS]

I heard that Mercedes has released the first Level 3 self-driving, for France.

I haven't heard anything about the French protesting the release of a robocar.

Are you sure you got factual information?

 

[Dewg]

I haven't heard anything about the French protesting the release of a robocar.

Are you sure you got factual information?

The older joke would have been that when the French see an L3 car they'll surrender to it.

 

[Daniel in SD]

I would imagine most mapped roads would be freeways, and how often are you driving 37mph or slower on the freeway?

Current Los Angeles freeway traffic at 3pm:

I'm very confused. Is there some other Los Angeles I'm not aware of? haha.

 

[Dewg]

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Current Los Angeles freeway traffic at 3pm:
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I'm very confused. Is there some other Los Angeles I'm not aware of? haha.

#facts

 

[regiuse]

FSD is the main reason I chose Tesla over other brands. I got it with $10K, but I don't know why I cannot even get my safety score after I enrolled in the beta program. Therefore, I have only tried Autopilot and NoA.

I need to say I was so surprised to find that they are that scary. Autopilot and NoA on normal highways are supposed to be mature. I was more nervous when I turned them on than driving by myself. Although I have never encountered an accident, there are many times I was very close to other vehicles, the car slowed down for unknown reasons or swayed. Moreover, there were too many warnings, which are very confusing. For example, before changing the lanes, I was frequently asked to put my hand on the yoke. My hand was always on the yoke! Sometimes small turns on the yoke didn't let the warning go away, but I cannot do a big turn either. The detection mechanism is bad.

If I have a choice to get a refund and need to pay the extra $2K or whatever amount when I want to get FSD back in the future, I will do it without hesitation.

 

[Dewg]

FSD is the main reason I chose Tesla over other brands. I got it with $10K, but I don't know why I cannot even get my safety score after I enrolled in the beta program. Therefore, I have only tried Autopilot and NoA.

I need to say I was so surprised to find that they are that scary. Autopilot and NoA on normal highways are supposed to be mature. I was more nervous when I turned them on than driving by myself. Although I have never encountered an accident, there are many times I was very close to other vehicles, the car slowed down for unknown reasons or swayed. Moreover, there were too many warnings, which are very confusing. For example, before changing the lanes, I was frequently asked to put my hand on the yoke. My hand was always on the yoke! Sometimes small turns on the yoke didn't let the warning go away, but I cannot do a big turn either. The detection mechanism is bad.

If I have a choice to get a refund and need to pay the extra $2K or whatever amount when I want to get FSD back in the future, I will do it without hesitation.

I've read others with similar problems - like the steering wheel torque sensor isn't sensitive enough to detect your pressure. I rarely get nagged, as I just rest my hands on the wheel at 9 and 3, but the weight of my hand/arm resting and slightly pulling down naturally seems to satisfy it. If you're making small movements to the wheel and it's still asking you to move the wheel, you should open a service appointment and get that looked at.

As for lane changes, do you have the settings for lane changes to notify you and request confirmation? I have mine set to chime on the notification, and not require confirmation.

 

[ThomasD]

So now you can type in an address and the car will take you there Does FSD work if you have a carrier or a wheelchair ramp on the back of your car

 

[regiuse]

I've read others with similar problems - like the steering wheel torque sensor isn't sensitive enough to detect your pressure. I rarely get nagged, as I just rest my hands on the wheel at 9 and 3, but the weight of my hand/arm resting and slightly pulling down naturally seems to satisfy it. If you're making small movements to the wheel and it's still asking you to move the wheel, you should open a service appointment and get that looked at.

As for lane changes, do you have the settings for lane changes to notify you and request confirmation? I have mine set to chime on the notification, and not require confirmation.

I set automatic lane changes without confirmation. If I set it to requiring confirmation, do I need to confirm before driving into entrances or exits?

 

[Dewg]

I set automatic lane changes without confirmation. If I set it to requiring confirmation, do I need to confirm before driving into entrances or exits?

Anywhere that the car would need to enable the turn signals you'll have to confirm.

 

[Raurele]

FSD is the main reason I chose Tesla over other brands. I got it with $10K, but I don't know why I cannot even get my safety score after I enrolled in the beta program. Therefore, I have only tried Autopilot and NoA.

I need to say I was so surprised to find that they are that scary. Autopilot and NoA on normal highways are supposed to be mature. I was more nervous when I turned them on than driving by myself. Although I have never encountered an accident, there are many times I was very close to other vehicles, the car slowed down for unknown reasons or swayed. Moreover, there were too many warnings, which are very confusing. For example, before changing the lanes, I was frequently asked to put my hand on the yoke. My hand was always on the yoke! Sometimes small turns on the yoke didn't let the warning go away, but I cannot do a big turn either. The detection mechanism is bad.

If I have a choice to get a refund and need to pay the extra $2K or whatever amount when I want to get FSD back in the future, I will do it without hesitation.

Sounds like you’re scared of your car because it’s communication and actions are unfamiliar to you. I drive 100-200 miles a day in San Francisco area and trust it completely to take exits, change lanes, stop at lights, stop at stop sign. Zero phantom braking. It slows when it feels it should, and it’s usually right. If it’s not, I tap the accelerator.

Give it a chance before disengaging. You’ll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[regiuse]

Sounds like you’re scared of your car because it’s communication and actions are unfamiliar to you. I drive 100-200 miles a day in San Francisco area and trust it completely to take exits, change lanes, stop at lights, stop at stop sign. Zero phantom braking. It slows when it feels it should, and it’s usually right. If it’s not, I tap the accelerator.

Give it a chance before disengaging. You’ll be pleasantly surprised.

Will try! I don't know whether that is caused by the fact that my Tesla does not come with a radar. Many times my car was really close to a nearby car, which forced me to take over.

For example, today I got an alert asking me to take over immediately with a scary sound, but I was in the middle of a highway, no cars were around and I was at least 3 miles from the exit. So confused.

 

[Supcom]

Will try! I don't know whether that is caused by the fact that my Tesla does not come with a radar. Many times my car was really close to a nearby car, which forced me to take over.

For example, today I got an alert asking me to take over immediately with a scary sound, but I was in the middle of a highway, no cars were around and I was at least 3 miles from the exit. So confused.

If you haven't done so already, try recalibrating your cameras from the service screen.

 

[PACEMD]

I heard that Mercedes has released the first Level 3 self-driving, for France.

Couple of negatives, though... ONLY works on mapped roads, and ONLY up to 37mph.

37 mph? I don't think my M3P will even go that slow.........I'm guessing Mercedes won't be entering Le Mans this year.......

 

[Rootboy]

I paid 10 grand and now my already great Model Y now drives itself through my town. It slows down for speed bumps, handles four ways on its own, swerves around bikers and parked cars who's doors are open. It handles the 5 and the 405 quite well too!

Obviously it's not perfect and can do the wrong thing at the wrong time and has a price tag you don't like. But dude the car is literally driving itself. Do you own another car that can do that? Does your $80,000 Bronco do it? Your $90,000 lightning that hasn't even been delivered yet? Maybe your R1T will have lane keep assist when it's delivered to you in 2023 lol.

Haters are going to hate Tesla until they're blue in the face, but no matter what haters say Tesla actually delivered here on FSD and my Model Y is the only SUV (apart from the X ) that will drive and park itself. My trust in Tesla has only gone up because it's clear they're perhaps the only company in the world bold enough to build FSD and actually give it to real customers. Ford Blue Cruise works on like 1 highway... FSD works on back alley streets in the Hollywood hills.

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(Image - Courtesy of Tesla, Inc.)

FSD is at the bottom of my list of want/needs but I was very impressed with the video of the guy driving around downtown Chicago.

 

[Raurele]

Will try! I don't know whether that is caused by the fact that my Tesla does not come with a radar. Many times my car was really close to a nearby car, which forced me to take over.

For example, today I got an alert asking me to take over immediately with a scary sound, but I was in the middle of a highway, no cars were around and I was at least 3 miles from the exit. So confused.

Mines a 2022. Recalibrate

 

[Unclepaul]

Believe the answer is somewhere in the middle of most of these comments.

Lots of owners feel that FSD is the best system available and that it makes their longer drives more comfortable and less tiring. They have learned it works best for them, getting in a middle lane of the freeway and letting FSD do it's job. Do not continously "Test" it by putting it into challenging situations where they feel it would fail.

Others feel that it is not yet perfect enough for them. Biggest issue seems to be the phantom braking, mostly caused by the Federally mandated automatic emergency braking system to stop the car, even if the driver does not apply their brakes in time to avoid a collision. They also want it to work perfectly in challenging urban driving conditions.

I feel the best system they ever offered was the enhanced autopilot. For about $2,000 it added automated lane changes, triggered with manual turn signal activation. It also enabled freeway to freeway interchanges to be completed, with merging of traffic into the change.

It will never be perfect enough (pot hole avoidance) and driving exactly as they would manually drive in every circumstance, but for many it can be a welcome relief on long road trips.

I imagine that it will continue to improve, but not as fast as everyone would hope.

As it gets better, more and more owners will feel the value proposition motivates them to check the FSD order box.

The goal is to make driving on Autopilot safer overall than current flawed human drivers can do. Perfection will take longer...always does.