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I'm no expert but isn't there something called Agile development that allows for iterative design?
ModelNforNerd
Active Member
I'm no expert but isn't there something called Agile development that allows for iterative design?
Works wonderfully for software, but incredibly difficult to pull off with a product that someone can physically hold (or sit in).
Sure, Agile will work for Software OTA Updates, but not so much for the physical vehicle itself. At some point "iterative design" has to stop, and you have to place that product in your customers' hands.
I have to agree. We've seen rumors of the Model 3 being in many other cities over the past year but AFAIK there were never any pictures posted of an actual Model 3. When there were pictures, they ended up being a Model X or a Model S.
BluestarE3
Active Member
Most likely a Model X misidentified as a Model 3. With it's taller profile, it presents a squatter aspect ratio than the more familiar Model S, so many people assume what they see before them is a shorter Model S. Ergo, it must be a Model 3.
PatrickCH4313
Member
OK, mid 2018 or later. That is in absolutely no way the same as saying 2019. Pointing to this as confirming 2019 is kinda stupid.
Yes. But eventually you reach end of iterative design, freeze design, and finish production release.I'm no expert but isn't there something called Agile development that allows for iterative design?
My opinion. We need to separate hardware from software.
I've been in the computer / tech industry for nearly 4 decades, and I've rarely had a project where the software was final before the hardware. In fact, as a project manager I've had to deal with the software guys demanding final hardware months before they would commit to a final software plan, let alone the actual code. Henry Kissinger got off easy.
I expect that the Model 3 hardware probably is pretty much final (aka production) representative. But I also expect that the software has still got some ways to go. They are probably down to a list of critical "show stopper" bugs that need to be fixed, or at worst, they're doing a final pass at testing to get to that showstopper list. Once those are fixed, we'll have the overall production car that can be released. Bug fixing on the non-showstopping issues would continue, of course, with a "v1.1" a month or so after release, and maybe another update a month after that, depending on what the early customers (employees, mostly) find.
So the car that Elon cites will be driving around in a week or two could very well be the final production hardware, made with production tooling, but be running beta-level software. Still on track for what has been promised. I don't see this as being inconsistent.
I've been in the computer / tech industry for nearly 4 decades, and I've rarely had a project where the software was final before the hardware. In fact, as a project manager I've had to deal with the software guys demanding final hardware months before they would commit to a final software plan, let alone the actual code. Henry Kissinger got off easy.
I expect that the Model 3 hardware probably is pretty much final (aka production) representative. But I also expect that the software has still got some ways to go. They are probably down to a list of critical "show stopper" bugs that need to be fixed, or at worst, they're doing a final pass at testing to get to that showstopper list. Once those are fixed, we'll have the overall production car that can be released. Bug fixing on the non-showstopping issues would continue, of course, with a "v1.1" a month or so after release, and maybe another update a month after that, depending on what the early customers (employees, mostly) find.
So the car that Elon cites will be driving around in a week or two could very well be the final production hardware, made with production tooling, but be running beta-level software. Still on track for what has been promised. I don't see this as being inconsistent.
Interesting since my tesla page has said the following since the beginning
"Your Model 3 was reserved on 3/31/2016. Deliveries will begin in late 2017"
The delivery of new orders could also be interpreted as "if you order/reserve in Europe today (as in March 2017) you will not get your car before the second half of 2018".
That would be a very aggressive timeline but I like it. I personally don't expect my Model 3 to arrive before the second half of 2018 and I reserved mine in May (also European).
Your myTesla page will say something different depending on where you are located. All of the US (maybe all of North America) says deliveries will begin in late 2017, while the rest of the world just mentions when production starts.
Red Sage
The Cybernetic Samurai
No. There is a difference between price and cost. The amount after taxes are applied is the cost, and the taxes are calculated against the price.
JoaoD
Tech Enthusiast
You may be correct that there is a difference between price and cost, and I may have missused it. But the article says that Tesla will display a 40.000€ offer while the Model S starts at 79.400€ which is the price including VAT. It is then implied that the 40.000€ Model 3 is the cost and not the price before taxes.
JoaoD
Tech Enthusiast
You can take a look at Model S and X prices in USA and in your country to have an idea of what the price will be. In theory it will be closer to the 35k, in practice it will be closer to the 40k since you have to pay VAT.I'm just hoping the € price is closer to 35-37k than 40-42k like some are speculating...
On the German Tesla message boards they are already saying it will be around 42k € if you compare it to the Model S but I'm hoping that Elon has mercy on us so I can add a few more extras.
JoaoD
Tech Enthusiast
42k was the price I got too when I did the Math last year before I reserved mine. I still have a little hope that the price will be adjusted to different countries in Europe taking into account VAT and earnings in each country, but I don't think it will fall below 40k.
PatrickCH4313
Member
Are you still saying that Model 3 deliveries for Europe will be late 2108 / begin of 2019 is a kind of stupid !!!!
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