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That's pretty good. How does the overall efficiency compare to the previous tire you had on the model 3?So far so good…70 mph down the highway at 50 degrees
I just took my snow tires off and put these on…I’ll find out Friday though based on the forecast and will updateHow does it handle snow, slush and ice?
That's pretty good. How does the overall efficiency compare to the previous tire you had on the model 3?
Also how's the braking grip? My biggest gripe with the MXM4s is the lack of grip under braking, they howl early and ABS engages quite easily even on dry pavement, not very confidence inspiring for the times when emergency full power braking is required.
i don't think i would *ever* replace new OEM tires with new aftermarket tires .... it's always impossible to justify unless you are going on a race track or need dedicated winter tires.Maybe I am one of the few that is not impressed with the P Zero Elect...
I replaced the notorious Hankook Kinergy GT(OEM) at 8,500 miles (7/32) with Elect today at America's tire.
Overall car is slightly quieter and the ride quality is slightly better but nothing to write home about.
To give more detail about the noise, I used iPhone 13's built-in mic with "dB Meter" app, placed the phone at the same location, and went through my usual 30 miles route with a mix of local, freeway, broken and good pavement, at the same speed, and both tires clocked the same Max dB at 85, while Hankook has slightly lower Avg compared to P Zero (73 vs 74)
In terms of efficiency, Elect is around 245 mi/Wh while Kinergy constantly stays around/below 235 mi/Wh but I know you can not compare new vs worn tires when it comes to efficiency.
I believe the P Zero might handle better but it is difficult for me to justify the $1,100 cost to put on marginally quieter/comfy tires, I am going to call America's tires and see if I can return the Elects (I still keep my Kinergy just in case)
Just my 2 cents...
A cheaper set may cost $800, not $0 so the difference between a "cheap" set and the P0 ELECT would be $300, in that case one may pay the difference for the marginally quieter/comfy tires.Maybe I am one of the few that is not impressed with the P Zero Elect...
I replaced the notorious Hankook Kinergy GT(OEM) at 8,500 miles (7/32) with Elect today at America's tire.
Overall car is slightly quieter and the ride quality is slightly better but nothing to write home about.
To give more detail about the noise, I used iPhone 13's built-in mic with "dB Meter" app, placed the phone at the same location, and went through my usual 30 miles route with a mix of local, freeway, broken and good pavement, at the same speed, and both tires clocked the same Max dB at 85, while Hankook has slightly lower Avg compared to P Zero (73 vs 74)
In terms of efficiency, Elect is around 245 mi/Wh while Kinergy constantly stays around/below 235 mi/Wh but I know you can not compare new vs worn tires when it comes to efficiency.
I believe the P Zero might handle better but it is difficult for me to justify the $1,100 cost to put on marginally quieter/comfy tires, I am going to call America's tires and see if I can return the Elects (I still keep my Kinergy just in case)
Just my 2 cents...
@texas_star_TM3 I disagree with that as a blanket statement.i don't think i would *ever* replace new OEM tires with new aftermarket tires .... it's always impossible to justify unless you are going on a race track or need dedicated winter tires.
run the hankook's down (won't take long... maybe 25k miles and then replace with the Pirelli's
in terms of comparison... it's not fair to compare broken in tires with brand new tires...
Agree, I usually don't do this but sometimes it makes a huge difference to swap out OEM tires, my other car (ND2 Miata) came with Bridgestone S02 summer tires which are okay tires and provide decent performance. I swapped them out with PS4S out of curiosity, and to my surprise, the PS4S significantly improved the NVH and that was one of the best accessories that I purchased for Miata (I never track/AutoX my Miata)i don't think i would *ever* replace new OEM tires with new aftermarket tires .... it's always impossible to justify unless you are going on a race track or need dedicated winter tires.
run the hankook's down (won't take long... maybe 25k miles and then replace with the Pirelli's
in terms of comparison... it's not fair to compare broken in tires with brand new tires...
Good point, if I need a new set of tires, it will be at least $800 for an okay set, which makes $1100 not much of a difference considering the benefit ELECT has (warranty, tailored made for EV, etc) I guess now we just need to see how good they are in terms of longevity.A cheaper set may cost $800, not $0 so the difference between a "cheap" set and the P0 ELECT would be $300, in that case one may pay the difference for the marginally quieter/comfy tires.
I personally would not replace a perfectly good set and spend $1100 in the hopes of a major improvement.
Maybe I am one of the few that is not impressed with the P Zero Elect...
I replaced the notorious Hankook Kinergy GT(OEM) at 8,500 miles (7/32) with Elect today at America's tire.
Overall car is slightly quieter and the ride quality is slightly better but nothing to write home about.
To give more detail about the noise, I used iPhone 13's built-in mic with "dB Meter" app, placed the phone at the same location, and went through my usual 30 miles route with a mix of local, freeway, broken and good pavement, at the same speed, and both tires clocked the same Max dB at 85, while Hankook has slightly lower Avg compared to P Zero (73 vs 74)
In terms of efficiency, Elect is around 245 mi/Wh while Kinergy constantly stays around/below 235 mi/Wh but I know you can not compare new vs worn tires when it comes to efficiency.
I believe the P Zero might handle better but it is difficult for me to justify the $1,100 cost to put on marginally quieter/comfy tires, I am going to call America's tires and see if I can return the Elects (I still keep my Kinergy just in case)
Just my 2 cents...
I didn't realize they were that bad!By the way, I wouldn't say the Hankook GT is "perfectly good". If you see its review/score against other Grand Touring tires on TireRack, you will probably want to do the same thing I did.
So, I am here to provide some updates.
TL;DR
America's Tire overinflated those tires and I overlooked that before conducting my tests. They were inflated to 46+ psi cold.
Adjusted the pressure myself and I can now see it is noticeably better in terms of NVH compared to Kinergy GT.
Will report back once I have more miles driven.
Learn from my lesson and always check the tire pressure!
the Hankook's aren't necessarily "bad" but they are quite a bit cheaper and a step down from the initial factory Michelin's or the Pirelli P Zero Elects. Cost cutting by Tesla.I didn't realize they were that bad!
Yeah, I had a loaner car once from my local service center (Model 3 SR+ with 18" MXM4) and the ride quality is noticeably better compared to mine with the Kinergy GT. It's like MXM4 absorbs the bumps better and it also feels quieter when going through some really bad/broken pavements. That's why I think the numbers on TireRack are at least true to some degree even though they are based on subjective ratingsI didn't realize they were that bad!
Would love to hear about your experience with your Pirelli's in snow. Sounds like they are good in light snow. Curious how they do in deep snow.I just took my snow tires off and put these on…I’ll find out Friday though based on the forecast and will update