My wife never uses her MX's EAP even once. I use it when I drove the family out on weekends. I use my M3 EAP daily. BTW, EAP is a lot better than AP 1.0 (had a loaner last year for 3 weeks). It does not slam on the brake when someone merge into your lane.
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My wife never uses her MX's EAP even once. I use it when I drove the family out on weekends. I use my M3 EAP daily. BTW, EAP is a lot better than AP 1.0 (had a loaner last year for 3 weeks). It does not slam on the brake when someone merge into your lane.
Swampgator
Active Member
I'm not sure about that, but sounds like you would want the refund.
IMO EAP is much more than TACC. Autosteering, Nav on autopilot, tacc and summon. I would think folks in California may put a higher value on TACC vs people like me in Florida. If Tesla made standalone TACC a $1000 option I'm not even sure I would pay that amount for it. Now, if Tesla made advanced summon available as a $1000 standalone I'd purchase immediately.
This! While I do love TACC and think it's probably the best feature of EAP, totally worth the cost to me, sometimes old dumb cruise control is useful at times as well.
Leeclanual
Member
Most cars allow you to select TACC or normal CC if equipped... so not an issue.
I don't see Tesla needing to loose money by offering it for free. Not everyone cares to use it and those that do have been willing to pay for the software and are happy to have it.
Some cars do. Some cars even put two nearly identical button next to each other, one for ACC and one for blind cruise control. It seems like a really dumb decision to me.
The problem is mode confusion - a fancy term the Aviation community came up with after they started getting fancy Autopilots with lots of features. Basically, once you're trained on a system working one way, if it doesn't do what you're expecting it to, accidents happen. (Mode confusion killed a few hundred people on a Tristar in the Everglades in the early 80s.)
In this case, if you have both blind cruise control and adaptive cruise available in the same car, the risks of rear ending someone because you thought you had adaptive cruise one but had the blind version on instead become substantial, especially if they are equally easily activated by similar actions.
Can we ask Elon to make the car free too?
Leeclanual
Member
Some cars do. Some cars even put two nearly identical button next to each other, one for ACC and one for blind cruise control. It seems like a really dumb decision to me.
The problem is mode confusion - a fancy term the Aviation community came up with after they started getting fancy Autopilots with lots of features. Basically, once you're trained on a system working one way, if it doesn't do what you're expecting it to, accidents happen. (Mode confusion killed a few hundred people on a Tristar in the Everglades in the early 80s.)
In this case, if you have both blind cruise control and adaptive cruise available in the same car, the risks of rear ending someone because you thought you had adaptive cruise one but had the blind version on instead become substantial, especially if they are equally easily activated by similar actions.
I’m an airline pilot... nonsense.
What part do you consider nonsense?
The documented history of crashes caused by mode confusion, or the likelihood that someone will cause an accident because they aren't paying enough attention because they thought the car was in charge?
Keep in mind that distracted driving is already a leading cause of accidents among folks who aren't even using cruise control...
Leeclanual
Member
Pretty much everything you have posted on “mode confusion” in the aviation community. Hog wash.
I do agree that distracted drivers are more likely to cause an accident... using CC or not.
I do agree that distracted drivers are more likely to cause an accident... using CC or not.
If they aren't training you on these things, that's most unfortunate.
Here's the accident I was talking about:
Eastern Air Lines Flight 401 - Wikipedia
That's just the most famous one. As for the rest...
INCIDENTS REVEAL MODE CONFUSION
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?...hl=en&oi=scholarr#d=gs_qabs&u=#p=pTiARJOaVGcJ
CEN17FA072
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q="mode+confusion"+ntsb
It's a real problem that frequently kills people, and a specific term the NTSB uses to describe it.
Leeclanual
Member
What's really unfortunate is someone who doesn't have a clue what they are talking about trying to spew misinformation. Accidents happen (on the ground and in the air) due to idiots who are complacent or not adequately trained... simple.
And due to systems that don't provide enough information about their status and encourage undertrained and complacent people to make mistakes.
I'm curious how you believe you know better than official NTSB investigation reports what happened in accidents - and deeply amused that you're blaming the accidents on complacency while trying to force a complacent attitude about risks resulting from bad human interface design...
Leeclanual
Member
I stick with my original tag... accidents are generally caused by idiots being complacent or properly trained.
There is a lot of truth to that, but systems that are hard to understand, easily confused, or otherwise counterintuitive make it a lot harder to manage proper training and a lot easier to make a complacent mistake.
M3BlueGeorgia
Active Member
But like a lot of surveys, it was biased.
I voted "no" because the option was to vote either for "free" or "very cheap" or "no".
If there was an option for "spilt out at $2K or more", I'd have voted for that instead of "no".
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