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There is no unit problem. Maybe you just don’t know metric? Rounding by ten percent has no relevent effect. If you take into account the gear ratio, the required grip increases from 1.5g to 13.5g at a stop. Ten percent doesn’t square that circle for you. It’s absurd that you guys apparently...

Right, I didn’t take into account any torque multiplication, so this is the limiting case. Multiplying the required grip by 9 doesn’t help your argument. So how does that square with this?

You are all spreading nonsense here, and it's very easy to verify that you're wrong if we do the math for the model 3 P: Mass per tire: 1840kg/4 Torque per tire: 640 Nm/4 (Note this is the most conservative case; we know in reality the rear motor produces more torque than the front) Radius of...

This is not correct. I think we can agree that the torque produced by either version of the car is enough to spin out the wheels of either tire, so it is the tire that fundamentally determines the amount of torque that can be applied at low speeds. This is a significant factor and relates to...

Thanks for posting, but that is super weak evidence for your claim. Even if we assume they are currently doing this 1ft roll out only with the P versions but now aren’t posting it (as opposed to the more sensible option of doing it with all or none) the typed-in part that having 1ft or roll out...

Right. AFAIK acceleration scales with the square root of power.

Could you link to where Tesla specified this? I’ve seen this claim quite a few times but have never seen the source.

Because this would more or less bring everyone (those purchasing today, those in 2019 before today and those in 2018) onto equal footing in terms of cost, when factoring in the varying federal rebate amounts. I already explained this above.

The "huge price drop" was $2000 so then you still paid $1750 less when taking tax credit into account. Those 2019 people are now getting a $3000 software upgrade free, so in that sense you may be out $1250 ...assuming you buy FSD. Like I said, not "perfectly fair" but this is the real world we...

No, because the tax credit dropped by $3750 those few days later. In that sense it seems quite fair ...maybe not "perfectly fair" where everyone pays exactly the same cost for the same configuration no matter when they bought it but you have to be realistic. Personally, I bought my car in...

It would be useful if you share pictures and details about what happened. This is something that Tesla and other owners should be aware of.

Bingo - that is exactly what he described. Not only has it been below 35F during this period but it's been down to 0F. The rubber turns glass-like and splits like a mozzarella ball. Probably the tire did not blowout, but the rubber split while the casing remained intact (see a pic of my pilot 4S...

You’re in NJ - the problem is fundamentally the tires not the wheel size. When the rubber on those 4s tires get cold they become like glass and crack easily. Trust me, I learned the hard way (living in nyc here). If your car had proper winter tires this most likely wouldn’t have happened. I...

Can we ask Elon to make the car free too?

I had this happen several times over the weekend. Seems like a software bug. It was a bit unnerving to go back to camera-free parallel parking in Manhattan. It‘s easy to become dependent on these systems very quickly. I also don‘t find it worth going in to SC for, especially with an imminent...

Seems like the only issue is other people being upset that you got it for free :cool: I would take that offer in a second. As a few people mentioned the white looks amazing and I find it gives a more spatious feeling to the cabin. As a side note, black coffee has been spilled on my seats twice...

Maybe but I also think the “need” for 18/19 inch rims and max snow tires is overstated. For most people wanting a high performance sports car - which P3D+ clearly is - winter performance tires are the way to go. If you regularly drive on uncleared roads with deep snow then obviously not ...but...

Yes, it does torque vectoring via having two motors in front and rear. It has nothing to do with brakes. Torque steering is accomplished with brakes. Those are two different things. I'm trying to be clear as to what we're talking about for the sake of others reading. You might call these the...

I agree but maybe they're leaving that to last because rear end collisions are always the fault of the person who rear ends, as far as I know. So with the new Dashcam you're pretty much covered for any accidents that might be considered your fault.

I was referring to the model 3 as you were implying (yes, implying) that the model 3 is using brakes for torque vectoring: Yeah, you were implying that model 3 uses "fake" LSD, which it is not. It is not trying to fake something, it is a different method to achieving the same goal.

I think the point is you were implying that using brakes is "fake" LSD and is "pretending to have one". So by that logic McLarens are just fake pretenders. Also the brakes aren't used for torque vectoring but torque steering. Torque vectoring involves altering torque between front and rear

What are you basing this on? Reviews of the tire performance on snow and ice seem to be very positive (rated as excellent by Tire Rack). I'm sure that maximum winter tires will stop shorter, but normally people are looking for a tire that performs well in a mix of winter conditions (unless...

Even if so, that just seems needlessly wasteful. Why would you want pearl white multi-coat paint under the carpet and underneath the frunk? You realize that you as the customer pay for that extra paint right?

Good for you. Please let us know the details (probably a new thread would help with visibility).

Most of those sound like manufacturing problems that were present immediately after delivery and not parts wearing out. Can you provide more info (how long after delivery, the cause of the problem)?

I'm curious what you've had to spend $5800 on already - especially as we have identical cars

I wonder if they're waiting for statistics before offering one. However, I would imagine extended warranty makes a lot more sense for someone who drives like 10k/year rather than someone who drives 50k. I plan to drive 25k/year and I find it highly unlikely an extended warranty would pay off.

Tried this in a large empty parking lot after snow today in NYC. Mind blowing

I don’t see much said about the brakes and torque steering. The upgraded brakes seem pretty fundamental to track mode. Enabling track mode for brakes that are going to melt into a puddle and tires that are totally unsuited for the track seems like a bad idea. At the least it would cause some...

Heading out into record cold this morning...

Before I get flamed out over driving summer tires at 0F, I've just got off the phone with the Tesla SC in Mount Kisco (NY) who told me that I'll be fine to drive on the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S in temperatures as low as 0F. Michelin says that for these tires they shouldn't even be flex at...