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Compliance with the terms of the Paris Accord and the onerous energy restrictions it has placed on the United States could cost America as much as 2.7 million lost jobs by 2025 according to the National Economic Research Associates. This includes 440,000 fewer manufacturing jobs — not what we need — believe me, this is not what we need — including automobile jobs, and the further decimation of vital American industries on which countless communities rely. They rely for so much, and we would be giving them so little.

According to this same study, by 2040, compliance with the commitments put into place by the previous administration would cut production for the following sectors: paper down 12 percent; cement down 23 percent; iron and steel down 38 percent; coal — and I happen to love the coal miners — down 86 percent; natural gas down 31 percent. The cost to the economy at this time would be close to $3 trillion in lost GDP and 6.5 million industrial jobs, while households would have $7,000 less income and, in many cases, much worse than that.

Not only does this deal subject our citizens to harsh economic restrictions, it fails to live up to our environmental ideals. As someone who cares deeply about the environment, which I do, I cannot in good conscience support a deal that punishes the United States — which is what it does -– the world’s leader in environmental protection, while imposing no meaningful obligations on the world’s leading polluters.

For example, under the agreement, China will be able to increase these emissions by a staggering number of years — 13. They can do whatever they want for 13 years. Not us. India makes its participation contingent on receiving billions and billions and billions of dollars in foreign aid from developed countries. There are many other examples. But the bottom line is that the Paris Accord is very unfair, at the highest level, to the United States.

Further, while the current agreement effectively blocks the development of clean coal in America — which it does, and the mines are starting to open up. We’re having a big opening in two weeks. Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, so many places. A big opening of a brand-new mine. It’s unheard of. For many, many years, that hasn’t happened. They asked me if I’d go. I’m going to try.

China will be allowed to build hundreds of additional coal plants. So we can’t build the plants, but they can, according to this agreement. India will be allowed to double its coal production by 2020. Think of it: India can double their coal production. We’re supposed to get rid of ours. Even Europe is allowed to continue construction of coal plants.

In short, the agreement doesn’t eliminate coal jobs, it just transfers those jobs out of America and the United States, and ships them to foreign countries.

This agreement is less about the climate and more about other countries gaining a financial advantage over the United States. The rest of the world applauded when we signed the Paris Agreement — they went wild; they were so happy — for the simple reason that it put our country, the United States of America, which we all love, at a very, very big economic disadvantage. A cynic would say the obvious reason for economic competitors and their wish to see us remain in the agreement is so that we continue to suffer this self-inflicted major economic wound. We would find it very hard to compete with other countries from other parts of the world.

We have among the most abundant energy reserves on the planet, sufficient to lift millions of America’s poorest workers out of poverty. Yet, under this agreement, we are effectively putting these reserves under lock and key, taking away the great wealth of our nation — it's great wealth, it's phenomenal wealth; not so long ago, we had no idea we had such wealth — and leaving millions and millions of families trapped in poverty and joblessness.

The agreement is a massive redistribution of United States wealth to other countries. At 1 percent growth, renewable sources of energy can meet some of our domestic demand, but at 3 or 4 percent growth, which I expect, we need all forms of available American energy, or our country — (applause) — will be at grave risk of brownouts and blackouts, our businesses will come to a halt in many cases, and the American family will suffer the consequences in the form of lost jobs and a very diminished quality of life.

Even if the Paris Agreement were implemented in full, with total compliance from all nations, it is estimated it would only produce a two-tenths of one degree — think of that; this much — Celsius reduction in global temperature by the year 2100. Tiny, tiny amount. In fact, 14 days of carbon emissions from China alone would wipe out the gains from America — and this is an incredible statistic — would totally wipe out the gains from America's expected reductions in the year 2030, after we have had to spend billions and billions of dollars, lost jobs, closed factories, and suffered much higher energy costs for our businesses and for our homes.

As the Wall Street Journal wrote this morning: “The reality is that withdrawing is in America’s economic interest and won’t matter much to the climate.” The United States, under the Trump administration, will continue to be the cleanest and most environmentally friendly country on Earth. We'll be the cleanest. We're going to have the cleanest air. We're going to have the cleanest water. We will be environmentally friendly, but we're not going to put our businesses out of work and we're not going to lose our jobs. We're going to grow; we're going to grow rapidly. (Applause.)

And I think you just read — it just came out minutes ago, the small business report — small businesses as of just now are booming, hiring people. One of the best reports they've seen in many years.

I’m willing to immediately work with Democratic leaders to either negotiate our way back into Paris, under the terms that are fair to the United States and its workers, or to negotiate a new deal that protects our country and its taxpayers. (Applause.)

So if the obstructionists want to get together with me, let’s make them non-obstructionists. We will all sit down, and we will get back into the deal. And we’ll make it good, and we won’t be closing up our factories, and we won’t be losing our jobs. And we’ll sit down with the Democrats and all of the people that represent either the Paris Accord or something that we can do that's much better than the Paris Accord. And I think the people of our country will be thrilled, and I think then the people of the world will be thrilled. But until we do that, we're out of the agreement.

I will work to ensure that America remains the world’s leader on environmental issues, but under a framework that is fair and where the burdens and responsibilities are equally shared among the many nations all around the world.

No responsible leader can put the workers — and the people — of their country at this debilitating and tremendous disadvantage. The fact that the Paris deal hamstrings the United States, while empowering some of the world’s top polluting countries, should dispel any doubt as to the real reason why foreign lobbyists wish to keep our magnificent country tied up and bound down by this agreement: It’s to give their country an economic edge over the United States. That's not going to happen while I’m President. I’m sorry. (Applause.)

My job as President is to do everything within my power to give America a level playing field and to create the economic, regulatory and tax structures that make America the most prosperous and productive country on Earth, and with the highest standard of living and the highest standard of environmental protection.

Our tax bill is moving along in Congress, and I believe it’s doing very well. I think a lot of people will be very pleasantly surprised. The Republicans are working very, very hard. We’d love to have support from the Democrats, but we may have to go it alone. But it’s going very well.

The Paris Agreement handicaps the United States economy in order to win praise from the very foreign capitals and global activists that have long sought to gain wealth at our country’s expense. They don’t put America first. I do, and I always will. (Applause.)

The same nations asking us to stay in the agreement are the countries that have collectively cost America trillions of dollars through tough trade practises and, in many cases, lax contributions to our critical military alliance. You see what’s happening. It’s pretty obvious to those that want to keep an open mind.

At what point does America get demeaned? At what point do they start laughing at us as a country? We want fair treatment for its citizens, and we want fair treatment for our taxpayers. We don’t want other leaders and other countries laughing at us anymore. And they won’t be. They won’t be.

I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris. (Applause.) I promised I would exit or renegotiate any deal which fails to serve America’s interests. Many trade deals will soon be under renegotiation. Very rarely do we have a deal that works for this country, but they’ll soon be under renegotiation. The process has begun from day one. But now we’re down to business.

Beyond the severe energy restrictions inflicted by the Paris Accord, it includes yet another scheme to redistribute wealth out of the United States through the so-called Green Climate Fund — nice name — which calls for developed countries to send $100 billion to developing countries all on top of America’s existing and massive foreign aid payments. So we’re going to be paying billions and billions and billions of dollars, and we’re already way ahead of anybody else. Many of the other countries haven’t spent anything, and many of them will never pay one dime.

The Green Fund would likely obligate the United States to commit potentially tens of billions of dollars of which the United States has already handed over $1 billion — nobody else is even close; most of them haven’t even paid anything — including funds raided out of America’s budget for the war against terrorism. That’s where they came. Believe me, they didn’t come from me. They came just before I came into office. Not good. And not good the way they took the money.

In 2015, the United Nation's departing top climate officials reportedly described the $100 billion per year as “peanuts,” and stated that “the $100 billion Anchoris the tail that wags the dog.” In 2015, the Green Climate Fund’s executive director reportedly stated that estimated funding needed would increase to $450 billion per year after 2020. And nobody even knows where the money is going to. Nobody has been able to say, where is it going to?

Of course, the world’s top polluters have no affirmative obligations under the Green Fund, which we terminated. America is $20 trillion in debt. Cash-strapped cities cannot hire enough police officers or fix vital infrastructure. Millions of our citizens are out of work. And yet, under the Paris Accord, billions of dollars that ought to be invested right here in America will be sent to the very countries that have taken our factories and our jobs away from us. So think of that.

There are serious legal and constitutional issues as well. Foreign leaders in Europe, Asia, and across the world should not have more to say with respect to the U.S. economy than our own citizens and their elected representatives. Thus, our withdrawal from the agreement represents a reassertion of America’s sovereignty. (Applause.) Our Constitution is unique among all the nations of the world, and it is my highest obligation and greatest honour to protect it. And I will.

Staying in the agreement could also pose serious obstacles for the United States as we begin the process of unlocking the restrictions on America’s abundant energy reserves, which we have started very strongly. It would once have been unthinkable that an international agreement could prevent the United States from conducting its own domestic economic affairs, but this is the new reality we face if we do not leave the agreement or if we do not negotiate a far better deal.

The risks grow as historically these agreements only tend to become more and more ambitious over time. In other words, the Paris framework is a starting point — as bad as it is — not an end point. And exiting the agreement protects the United States from future intrusions on the United States' sovereignty and massive future legal liability. Believe me, we have massive legal liability if we stay in.

As President, I have one obligation, and that obligation is to the American people. The Paris Accord would undermine our economy, hamstring our workers, weaken our sovereignty, impose unacceptable legal risks, and put us at a permanent disadvantage to the other countries of the world. It is time to exit the Paris Accord — (applause) — and time to pursue a new deal that protects the environment, our companies, our citizens, and our country.

It is time to put Youngstown, Ohio, Detroit, Michigan, and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania — along with many, many other locations within our great country — before Paris, France. It is time to make America great again. (Applause.) Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.
In my meetings at the G7, we have taken historic steps to demand fair and reciprocal trade that gives Americans a level playing field against other nations. We’re also working very hard for peace in the Middle East, and perhaps even peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Our attacks on terrorism are greatly stepped up — and you see that, you see it all over — from the previous administration, including getting many other countries to make major contributions to the fight against terror. Big, big contributions are being made by countries that weren’t doing so much in the form of contribution.

One by one, we are keeping the promises I made to the American people during my campaign for President –- whether it’s cutting job-killing regulations; appointing and confirming a tremendous Supreme Court justice; putting in place tough new ethics rules; achieving a record reduction in illegal immigration on our southern border; or bringing jobs, plants, and factories back into the United States at numbers which no one until this point thought even possible. And believe me, we’ve just begun. The fruits of our labor will be seen very shortly even more so.

On these issues and so many more, we’re following through on our commitments. And I don’t want anything to get in our way. I am fighting every day for the great people of this country. Therefore, in order to fulfill my solemn duty to protect America and its citizens, the United States will withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord — (applause) — thank you, thank you — but begin negotiations to reenter either the Paris Accord or a really entirely new transaction on terms that are fair to the United States, its businesses, its workers, its people, its taxpayers. So we’re getting out. But we will start to negotiate, and we will see if we can make a deal that’s fair. And if we can, that’s great. And if we can’t, that’s fine. (Applause.)

As President, I can put no other consideration before the wellbeing of American citizens. The Paris Climate Accord is simply the latest example of Washington entering into an agreement that disadvantages the United States to the exclusive benefit of other countries, leaving American workers — who I love — and taxpayers to absorb the cost in terms of lost jobs, lower wages, shuttered factories, and vastly diminished economic production.

Thus, as of today, the United States will cease all implementation of the non-binding Paris Accord and the draconian financial and economic burdens the agreement imposes on our country. This includes ending the implementation of the nationally determined contribution and, very importantly, the Green Climate Fund which is costing the United States a vast fortune.

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Compliance with the terms of the Paris Accord and the onerous energy restrictions it has placed on the United States could cost America as much as 2.7 million lost jobs by 2025 according to the National Economic Research Associates.
pres. Trump 6/1/17

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"biggest inauguration crowd in history"
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"I have like, a really good brain."
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yet china and india have little obligations to reduce their polluting but moron leftists are strong on hyperbole and short on facts

The per cap pollution of India is not even 10% of that of the US, so what are you talking about. The US is the biggest polluter in history. True that China is bigger now, but that is only in recent years and they are investing heavily in renewables. The biggest polluter should also be the biggest contributer in cleaning up the mess.

And about this "no fair whining"..tell that to the people of the Marshall Island who are literally drowning!
 
No the collective we lost. There is no win for anyone with the moron in the White House. You may be happy that the team you rooted for won. Yea team!.

I read most of my news in German Spanish or French but enjoy perusing the Tesla forum because we are huge fans of EV's and Tesla in particular although an S is not currently in the budget. But reading this forum and certainly this thread it is eye opening to see how divided Americans have become since the election. I have never seen anything like it in my life. We live in the US 3 or 4 months of the year and were in the US during the election. It was an interesting time to be a foreigner in the USA. Many of the headlines today talk about today being the begginning of a new world order with Europe and China assuming the new leadership roles of the world. Someone once said. "May you live in interesting times". Well, seems we are.
 
Which is harder to build: 360 square miles of solar array, or a single nuclear power plant?

Actually, you might be thinking of wind energy.

See: How Much Land Does Nuclear, Wind and Solar Really Need?

It's estimate for wind energy to rival a nuclear power plant is close to what you said. However, regarding solar, it says this:

"A 1,000-MW solar photovoltaic (PV) facility would require about 8,900 acres (approximately 14 square miles)."
 
But reading this forum and certainly this thread it is eye opening to see how divided Americans have become since the election.
It's not since the election, it's since the creation of fox news in the late 90's. A large portion of americans (about 20-30%) live in a bubble of right wing total disinformation. They are brainwashed to fear imaginary threats and ignore real ones, blame their problems on the wrong sources (immigrants instead of bankers) and to think liberalism = marxism. Conservative media spent decades planting the seeds of ignorance and hate that trump came along and harvested to get elected. Roger Ailes (the brains behind fox news) did more damage to America than Osama Bin Laden did.
 
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It's not since the election, it's since the creation of fox news in the late 90's. A large portion of americans (about 20-30%) live in a bubble of right wing total disinformation. They are brainwashed to fear imaginary threats and ignore real ones, blame their problems on the wrong sources (immigrants instead of bankers) and to think liberalism = marxism. Conservative media spent decades planting the seeds of ignorance and hate that trump came along and harvested to get elected.
Ouch. That's harsh.
 
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Hilarious someone quoting the National Economic Research Council as some independent and credible anti-Paris source.

You mean the biggest defender of coal and mercury pollution? Now that Paris is out of the way, what's their next project? Bringing back leaded gasoline? After all, there were all kinds of doomsday reports of lost jobs if heaven forbid the USA banned lead additives.
 
It's not since the election, it's since the creation of fox news in the late 90's. A large portion of americans (about 20-30%) live in a bubble of right wing total disinformation. They are brainwashed to fear imaginary threats and ignore real ones, blame their problems on the wrong sources (immigrants instead of bankers) and to think liberalism = marxism. Conservative media spent decades planting the seeds of ignorance and hate that trump came along and harvested to get elected. Roger Ailes (the brains behind fox news) did more damage to America than Osama Bin Laden did.
like cnn, msnbc, npr are credible outlets?
if you believe that why don't come see this bridge I can let you have at a great price
 
Political deals are important, but as Ace just wrote, market forces are more important.

We overestimate the role of "political accords" and underestimate the role of market forces.

Like explaining why the USA entered World War One-- because U-boats sunk the Lusitania 2 years earlier-- or because U-boats cut off the highly profitable USA trade with our chief trading partner (which was not Germany)?

Like explaining why the USA invaded the Confederate States in 1861-- to "free the slaves"?-- or because the South had cut off tariff payments to the federal government (As Lincoln said: "If the South goes, who will pay for the government?")
 
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like cnn, msnbc, npr are credible outlets?
if you believe that why don't come see this bridge I can let you have at a great price

Regarding NPR...

"The Economist, BBC, NPR, PBS and The Wall Street Journal are among those with the highest ratio of trust to distrust"

Which news organization is the most trusted? The answer is complicated.

Regarding bias, most sources place NPR somewhere in the neighborhood of center to left leaning (but not solid left or extreme left).

NPR Web News

"Factual Reporting: HIGH"

NPR (National Public Radio)

Evidence seems to suggest that NPR is credible.
 
China is canceling plans to build more than 100 coal-fired power plants, seeking to rein in runaway, wasteful investment in the sector while moving the country away from one of the dirtiest forms of electricity generation, the government announced in a directive made public this week.

The announcement, made by China’s National Energy Administration, cancels 103 projects that were planned or under construction, eliminating 120 gigawatts of future coal-fired capacity. That includes dozens of projects in 13 provinces, mostly in China’s coal-rich north and west, on which construction had already begun. Those projects alone would have had a combined output of 54 gigawatts, more than the entire coal-fired capacity of Germany, according to figures compiled by Greenpeace.

The cancellations make it likelier that China will meet its goal of limiting its total coal-fired power generation capacity to 1,100 gigawatts by 2020. That huge figure, three times the total coal-fired capacity in the United States, is far more than China needs. Its coal plants now run at about half of capacity, and new sources of power, like wind, solar and nuclear, are coming online at a fast clip.

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Full article at:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/world/asia/china-coal-power-plants-pollution.html?_r=1
 
How can Elon Musk justify his link with this lunatic President who has just cancelled USA's ties with the climate change agreement?
Surely it proves he has no powers of persuasion over the President and he should spend more time at Tesla/SpaceX etc rather than wasting it with a man who has proved he is as mad as a box of frogs.
This is like a turkey voting for Thanksgiving!

Elon - this WILL start to make you look foolish so do the right thing quickly!
 
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This article https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/business/climate-change-tesla-corporations-paris-accord.html Quotes numerous American CEOs who state their opposition to withdrawing from the Paris Agreement. They argue that withdrawing will in fact cost America jobs and economic growth. Because they look at the big picture and not just the tiny viewpoint of trying fruitlessly to open more coal mines.

These CEOs are not fringe radicals. Think GM, Goldman Sachs, Apple, Tesla, IBM, Shell, Microsoft, Google, and on and on and on.
 
"grab em by the pussy"
-pres trump

"biggest inauguration crowd in history"
-pres trump

"I have like, a really good brain."
-pres trump

"I know words."

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We sleep at night in the UK! Trump is a loon and unfortunately sums up the USA. IN USA last year EVERY under 25 I spoke to said he/she wouldnt vote and the over 50s just said that if Trump wins we are f*****! I was worried then but me having a Tesla is irrelevant compared with how USA will ruin our planet with a tosser in charge:-(
 
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