Trump pulls out of Paris climate deal

[anticitizen13.7]

President Trump has had few high profile victories since January. This is probably an easy PR win for him.

His base has been restless since the embarrassing defeat of the health care reform bill.

 

[thx1139]

There are traces of radiation everywhere. Which isotopes is what should concern you, and the kind of radiation emitted.

Since electricity was first produced in the US by nuclear fission, we have killed 7,200 coal miners in accidents alone. Since 1900, we killed just under 100,000 coal miners in accidents in the US. People spaz about 120 ignition key deaths, or 11 airbag deaths (+290 airbag deaths attributable to the NHTSA).

So it has nothing to do with safety. Nuclear is an order of magnitude safer, and has contaminated far less land and cause far less chronic fatal disease deaths. Record Number of Miners Being Diagnosed with Black Lung Disease

We as a society are focused on protecting city dwellers at the cost of 'lessor' lives, such as lower middle class workers. We are willing to fight for better pay for McDonald's workers, but not willing to save a single person with dirt under their fingernails.

We are a nation that thinks that callouses on your hands is sign of stupidity and worthlessness.

If we weren't, and we were actually as smart as we claim, we would take action. But don't hold your breath. Errr... unless you're in a coal mine.

Wasnt arguing your point. I was saying that your information about Fukushima is misleading. Somehow scientist are saying specifically that radiation from Fukushima reached the west coast.

 

[thx1139]

President Trump has had few high profile victories since January. This is probably an easy PR win for him.

His base has been restless since the embarrassing defeat of the health care reform bill.

Well sorta I guess. His base (the vast majority of his 39% approval rating) may go yea. Doesnt mean he is going to get much more out of it.

 

[slipnslider]

Wasnt arguing your point. I was saying that your information about Fukushima is misleading. Somehow scientist are saying specifically that radiation from Fukushima reached the west coast.

It's reaching the sushi restaurants on the west coast.

 

[slipnslider]

Well sorta I guess. His base (the vast majority of his 39% approval rating) may go yea. Doesnt mean he is going to get much more out of it.

Exactly. The entire planet has to suffer so that president babyhands can impress a bunch of mouthbreathing morons.

 

[stopcrazypp]

There are traces of radiation everywhere. Which isotopes is what should concern you, and the kind of radiation emitted.

Since electricity was first produced in the US by nuclear fission, we have killed 7,200 coal miners in accidents alone. Since 1900, we killed just under 100,000 coal miners in accidents in the US. People spaz about 120 ignition key deaths, or 11 airbag deaths (+290 airbag deaths attributable to the NHTSA).

So it has nothing to do with safety. Nuclear is an order of magnitude safer, and has contaminated far less land and cause far less chronic fatal disease deaths. Record Number of Miners Being Diagnosed with Black Lung Disease

We as a society are focused on protecting city dwellers at the cost of 'lessor' lives, such as lower middle class workers. We are willing to fight for better pay for McDonald's workers, but not willing to save a single person with dirt under their fingernails.

We are a nation that thinks that callouses on your hands is sign of stupidity and worthlessness.

If we weren't, and we were actually as smart as we claim, we would take action. But don't hold your breath. Errr... unless you're in a coal mine.

Not even close to the core of the issue. The core of the issue is NIMBY and poor accounting of long term externalities. People are NIMBY about nuclear because it can cause immediate harm to the power consumers in an accident. Try to build one and any community nearby will oppose even if they get to use the power.

People are not NIMBY about coal because an accident won't harm the power consumers (even though many coal miners are killed). There are also the effects of long term pollution from coal, but people tend to fail to factor that in (same with climate change). So people are much less likely to oppose coal plants. And given the coal miners are the most harmed, would they oppose coal plants and coal mines? The answer is no, because they would be out of a job if they do so!

 

[dhanson865]

I am actually pro-nuclear, but the problem with setting up nuclear plants is that nobody wants them in their backyard.

I have no problem with a properly run nuclear plant in my city.

I suppose I would have a problem with a multi-megawatt with cooling tower in my actual back yard since I live on less than an acre.

Can I have it at least 5 miles away?

I live less than 50 miles as the crow flies from a operating plant now. I work even closer than that.

I'd have no problem with them putting another closer to my house. I'd just like it to be not on my actual street.

 

[azred]

I'm an old codger born under DDE. Didn't like every President but never before embarrassed by one. Nixon was a crook but at least a competent crook. Sad day for our country. Thanks to Elon for trying.

 

[kort677]

So you are saying he didn't lose by 3 million votes ? Are you saying majority of the American voters voted for him ?

Btw, I just read through your other posts. Calling everyone "morons", "mindless drivels", "clueless". You are a true Trump supporter.

clueless because apparently you are not aware that th popular vote is NOT the criteria for a presidential election.

 

[kort677]

Because the congress would not judge on its merits but rather on politics. Interesting that US corporations are by and large in favor of staying in agreement across all sectors.

can you say checks and balances?

 

[slipnslider]

clueless because apparently you are not aware that th popular vote is NOT the criteria for a presidential election.

But it is the criteria for arguing that the american people support your agenda. Hell even repubs supported staying in the agreement 2-to-1. Trump screws his supporters once again.

 

[slipnslider]

I'm an old codger born under DDE. Didn't like every President but never before embarrassed by one. Nixon was a crook but at least a competent crook. Sad day for our country. Thanks to Elon for trying.

Yes its beyond embarassing. It's terrifying. And the fact that anyone can still support him after seeing where he's headed and how he operates is the saddest part of all.
Americans used to be able to be smug about germany electing and supporing a psychopathic authoritarian in the 30s. We were the nobel good guys who came to save the day. We thought something must be genetically wrong with germans because WE would NEVER do anything like that. Now we're seeing that we're no better. The same mental infection can strike any nation if the country becomes scared, angry, and uneducated enough.
Fox news should put up a banner: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

 

[Skotty]

Which is harder to build: 360 square miles of solar array, or a single nuclear power plant?

Care to retract that one? Or do you really want me to run the calculations. Nuclear is awesome for it's energy density, but your assertion here is beyond ridiculous.

 

[McRat]

Yes its beyond embarassing. It's terrifying. And the fact that anyone can still support him after seeing where he's headed and how he operates is the saddest part of all.
Americans used to be able to be smug about germany electing and supporing a psychopathic authoritarian in the 30s. We were the nobel good guys who came to save the day. We would NEVER do anything like they did. Now we're seeing we're no better. The same mental infection can strike any nation if the country becomes angry and uneducated enough.
Fox news should put up a banner: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Read your history. Many famous people in the world supported what Germany was doing in the 1930's. They even had the Olympic Games there. Germany had free vacations, subsidized childcare, free medical, youth camps, superhighways, anti-smoking laws, animal rights laws, reduction of state's rights, government employment programs, etc. All government documents required you fill in your race, so funding and programs could be racially focused. And free speech was heavily frowned upon.

I'm pretty sure that was Hillary's platform was it not?

People of conscious didn't think much of what Germany was doing. But many foreign intellectuals were behind their policies 100%. Even down to the anti-Semitism and eugenics. Britain, America, and France all had their share of National Socialist supporters. There is still a community of them in the US left over from the 1930's. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/...s-in-a-long-island-hamlet-are-you-german.html

Now I'm not saying Hillary would have fired up the ovens for the Jews and handicapped. There were some constitutional barriers to that, plus she would need EPA approval for the burning. And she would rather choose non-union workers instead of the handicapped anyways.

 

[McRat]

Care to retract that one? Or do you really want me to run the calculations. Nuclear is awesome for it's energy density, but your assertion here is beyond ridiculous.

OK, I did that with a pencil really quick. Pencil again, rounding. Use a calc if you want.

Kashiwazaki-Kariwa in Japan makes 8 GW and should yield 70,000 GWh a year?

3 acres per GWh per year. So .33 GWh per acre?
640 acres to a square mile. So 200 GWh per year per square mile?

About 350 square miles?

I dunno. A sheet load for sure. It's why solar panels on car roofs is stupid.

 

[slipnslider]

Read your history. Many famous people in the world supported what Germany was doing in the 1930's. They even had the Olympic Games there. Germany had free vacations, subsidized childcare, free medical, youth camps, superhighways, anti-smoking laws, animal rights laws, reduction of state's rights, government employment programs, etc. All government documents required you fill in your race, so funding and programs could be racially focused. And free speech was heavily frowned upon..

I didn't say no one agreed with them at the time, I said modern americans have this view of 1930s germany where they simply chose to be the bad guys, and we were the awesome good captain america's who swooped in to save the world. Now trump's rise shows that the same mental disease that infected the germans can infect any country if they get dumb and angry enough. Americans no longer have any reason to think we're any better than pre WW2 germans.

 

[Skotty]

OK, I did that with a pencil really quick. Pencil again, rounding. Use a calc if you want.

Kashiwazaki-Kariwa in Japan makes 8 GW and should yield 70,000 GWh a year?

3 acres per GWh per year. So .33 GWh per acre?
640 acres to a square mile. So 200 GWh per year per square mile?

About 350 square miles?

I dunno. A sheet load for sure.

Alright, it's only greatly exaggerated. Based on estimates I could find online, 360 square miles of solar would be about 30 GW equivalent. A typical nuclear reactor is maybe 1 GW if it's big, but a single nuclear power plant sometimes has several reactors. The biggest in the US seems to be about 4 GW.

 

[McRat]

Alright, it's only greatly exaggerated. Based on estimates I could find online, 360 square miles of solar would be about 30 GW equivalent. A typical nuclear reactor is maybe 1 GW if it's big, but a single nuclear power plant sometimes has several reactors. The biggest in the US seems to be about 4 GW.

Note you must measure in GWh per year. You can't use GW for solar, only 24hr powerplants.

If you've seen a square mile of any man made object, it's immense. Now imagine hundreds of square miles. That's got to piss off some endangered species somewhere.

 

[McRat]

I didn't say no one agreed with them at the time, I said modern americans have this view of 1930s germany where they simply chose to be the bad guys, and we were the awesome good captain america's who swooped in to save the world. Now trump's rise shows that the same mental disease that infected the germans can infect any country if they get dumb and angry enough. Americans no longer have any reason to think we're any better than pre WW2 germans.

The people who lobbied to switch to a dictatorship were the bankers and industrialists. The people Hillary was getting her money from.

By your argument, we are now in a dictatorship, but that isn't the problem. It's the wrong dictator?

 

[slipnslider]

The people who lobbied to switch to a dictatorship were the bankers and industrialists. The people Hillary was getting her money from.

The people trump slammed hillary for getting her money from, then hired into his cabinet. Sucker.