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Also Musk mentioned that Powerwall deployments are limited because it takes two years to train licensed electricians and there's a USA-wide shortage. So. Constraints.

He said that, but I confess I don't buy it. I simply don't believe they have stacks of PowerWalls that they can't install for lack of electricians. I mean, there may be a shortage, but I don't think that is the bottleneck. I'm way more inclined to think that they can't make the PowerWalls in the large numbers demanded by the market right now, simply because they can't source enough cells.

Actually, I think they're slamming headlong into organizational and training constraints. Based on the hour I spent on the phone this morning trying to get to the right person to get my car's service set up. The first contact point referred me to the wrong department even though I told them exactly who I needed to talk to. And worse, I'd called the right people and been shunted to the call center who sent me to the wrong people. The "service" call center is the WORST. Throwing money at it isn't going to train the people better.

This one is really interesting, and it has really been a long-running phenomenon with Tesla. Customer service seems to be really disorganized and erratic, with no shortage of horror stories. But I don't regard it as a constraint on growth, and I am really, really not worried about it.

A while ago, I read this book (highly recommended) called Inside the Tornado by Geoffrey Moore (of Crossing the Chasm fame). He makes the striking observation that companies going through the 'tornado' stage (which, by my estimate, Tesla has just entered in Q2) should focus all their resources on themselves and not the customer. That doesn't mean shipping crappy product; quite the contrary, quality is essential to avoid returns and service expense. But you can afford to, or even should, ignore the customer! This stage is fundamentally a land grab. The only thing that matters is to ship.

His exposition matches Tesla to a tee (emphasis mine):

The market consequence of this stampede is that, virtually overnight, demand dramatically outstrips supply, and a huge backlog of customers appears. The financial implications of this backlog are hard to overstate. For not only does it represent a massive sales opportunity in and of itself, it also represents an even larger follow-on market opportunity. That is, since switching costs in high tech are so high, once customers settle on a particular vendor, they rarely switch. So each sale gained in a tornado really should be looked at as an annuity, and the total number of sales a company can garner while the tornado is in process sets the limits of their installed base and thus the boundary conditions on their future revenue from that marketplace.

In sum, the tornado is a hugely significant time. It is also a bit confusing for the marketing department. They are used to defining their value to the company as creating demand, but in a tornado there is no need for this service. So what should the marketing strategy be now?

To put it as succinctly as possible—just ship!

Don’t segment. Don’t customize. Don’t commit to any special projects. Just ship. It is like a sardine run. You don’t bait hooks, you just stick in your bucket, pull them out, and go back for more. Do anything you can to streamline the creation, distribution, installation, and adoption of your whole product. The more friction you can avoid, the more throughput you can achieve. Focus on supply chains and quality to ensure that as you ship you do not get caught up in returns. Don’t focus on the customer, in other words; focus on yourself. You, not they, are the gating item in this market.

One of the premier embodiments of this principle was Oracle. In their tornado stage, their main competitor was Ingres. Oracle didn't care about the customer; Ingres put the customer first. The rest is history:

None of this was reflected in Ingres’s approach. They were the nice guys. They said, we simply cannot grow any faster than 50 percent and still adequately serve our customers. No one can. Look at Oracle. They are promising anything and everything and shipping little or nothing. Everybody knows it. Their customers hate them. They are going to hit the wall. They will implode, just wait and see. We are doing things the right way; we are going to stay our course.

Ingres was confident it was taking the high moral ground and would be rewarded. It turned out it was only half right. In 1991 Oracle did indeed hit the wall, but that was long after the critical market share competition was over. By that time, Ingres was a bewildered company that had lost its sense of direction and sold itself to ASK Computers. It simply could not believe what had happened. It was as if Darth Vader had slain Luke Skywalker, as if Bambi had met Godzilla.

What Ingres—as well as many of the rest of us at the time—did not understand is that, for pragmatist customers, the first freedom in a rapidly shifting market is order and security. That can only come from rallying around a clear market leader. Once the apparent leader-to-be emerges, pragmatists will support that company, virtually regardless of how arrogant, unresponsive, or overpriced it is. Thus the penalty for poor customer satisfaction in a tornado is negligible compared to the rewards for going out and getting the next customer.

And that brings us to the third and final lesson that Oracle taught.

Ignore the Customer

In a tornado, the correct marketing strategy really is to ignore the customer! The reason is that, in a tornado, customers are lining up for the hot product. They do not need—or want—to be courted—the problem is not to create demand: they need—and want—to be supplied. Anything you do to restrict the throughput of the supply process works against this goal. That is why Henry Ford not only could say, but was correct in saying, “You can have any color Model T you want as long as it’s black.”

To be sure, once the tornado was over, Ford ended up painting its cars in two-toned purple if that’s what the customer wanted. But that is not what the market requires or the customer desires during the tornado. They just want to get their first car, or their first telephone, or their first PC, or their first laser printer. They want the commodity. So your focus must be on getting them that item as quickly, easily, and cheaply as possible. This means becoming intensely internally focused on your delivery capabilities and not letting yourself get distracted by “secondary” factors such as an individual customer’s particular needs.

The shorts retweet incessantly every bad Tesla customer service experience they can find and present it as evidence that Tesla is crumbling. This sounds somewhat perverse, but I see it as confirmation that they are doing the right thing. They are focussing all their resources on the single most important thing, which right now is not the customer, but their ability to ship.
 
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What causes the stock to bounce off $350 ? Did a lot of people put in sales orders at/around $350 thinking that if it ever gets up there again they want out, and enough shares were available at that price that the price never went above it?
Basically, yeah. I wouldn't say that they all *want out* but maybe some of them want to *take some profits* or *trim their positions*. Of course it's also possible that there are "smart shorts" who were successful shorting at $350 and are going to try again. Or it's a computer algorithm which is programmed to think the same sort of things.

Either way, it means there are a bunch of people who think $350 is "too rich" for the stock. That's what a "resistance level" is. You break through it when you run out of those people.
 
Just FYI I think I read on Twitter someplace that the Tesla short shabooska or whatever claims he gets his info from someone inside the factory. Keep in mind this is just his claim and he is a definite short on TSLA. I am long Tesla and quite happy about it today.

I think it would be sweet if they discovered who was feeding him the info and provided some FUD to them, just to mess with his head and make his audience lose confidence in his data.

Damn, I'm starting to act like a short... Argh!
 
Indeed, I liked a few of your tweets/twits/twats - not sure what you call them...

There's quite a few of us here became more active the last weeks and it seems to have shut down a lot of the garbage.

Edit: just want to say that my predicted 350 for today is only 2% climb from here... :D
Ah, twats isn't something you really want to be asking about in this forum. Just saying. :rolleyes:
 
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Tesla Model 3 Outsells All Premium Mid-Sized Sedans In US Combined

Can anyone spot the pattern in the chart below. You need not look very closely.
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I have to say, I'm not a big fan of that claim — which was indeed in the Tesla shareholder letter. They only compared to a handful of models, not the entire class.

Given that there isn't a smaller Tesla, I think it's most appropriate to combine small & midsize luxury cars for such a comparison. But even if you want to stick to midsize cars only, there are more than what is in the Tesla graph and Tesla didn't have >50% of the market segment. When I first saw the headline in the letter, I was about to publish our story on dropping Toyota sales, so I quickly ran to reverse the math and figure out more or less a solid estimate of Model 3 sales. I came up with ~20,000! ... Then I saw that the comparison wasn't for every car in the class — just for a handful of them.

When I went and got the July numbers for each of the models Tesla showed in the graph, I concluded the Model 3 number was probably 13,000–14,000.

Good Car Bad Car should have rounded up all the numbers soon — or I may go ahead and do so first — but you can see June figures here to get a sense of the whole market segment.
 
TSLA shares gained 16% today, my total TSLA portfolio 27%.

Does anyone like to share their TSLA portfolio gain today as well?

Would be fun to find out who’s extremely leveraged, and how that played out today.
First of all thanks for consistently sharing info from the MS notes as they come out; always helpful.

My TSLA holdings were up 31% today. I’m retired, looking to establish a core position of X shares by exercising my M’19 $100c with proceeds from twice as many J’20 $400s. Started off with $7k to invest at time of M3 reveal 2 years ago, and added what I could every month...it’s been a bumpy two years, but road ahead looking good.
 
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He said that, but I confess I don't buy it. I simply don't believe they have stacks of PowerWalls that they can't install for lack of electricians. I mean, there may be a shortage, but I don't think that is the bottleneck. I'm way more inclined to think that they can't make the PowerWalls in the large numbers demanded by the market right now, simply because they can't source enough cells.



This one is really interesting, and it has been a long-running phenomenon with Tesla. Customer service seems to be really disorganized and erratic, with no shortage of horror stories. But I don't regard it as a constraint to growth, and I am really, really not worried about it.

You're thinking more short-term than I am. :)

I don't think it's going to constrain growth for *at least three years*, probably more like five, but it could be quite serious if it isn't fixed later.

You're absolutely right that Tesla will keep having customers, and awful customer service won't affect revenue, as long as nobody is making a competitive product. And right now, nobody is.

The trouble with building up an actual *reputation* for bad customer service is that when the competitive product shows up, you can lose your entire customer base as fast as they can switch. There is some evidence that this has been happening with Uber (vs. Lyft).

A while ago, I read this book (highly recommended) called Inside the Tornado by Geoffrey Moore (of Crossing the Chasm fame). He makes the striking observation that companies going through the 'tornado' stage (which, by my estimate, Tesla has just entered in Q2) should focus all their resources on themselves and not the customer. That doesn't mean shipping crappy product; quite the contrary, quality is essential to avoid returns and service expense. But you can afford to, or even should, ignore the customer! This stage is fundamentally a land grab. The only thing that matters is to ship:

This is all pretty much right. But switching costs are much lower in cars than in databases or software formats, and there are *ongoing costs from using a product with poor service*.

If my 8-year unlimited Ranger service runs out and Tesla *still* hasn't built an upstate NY service center (Syracuse or Rochester), I'm probably going to buy a competitor's electric car (maybe a Bolt or whatever generation of Leaf they have by then) and not worry about the lack of Supercharging or other weaknesses. The costs of having to personally arrange to haul my car 200 miles every time it needs repairs -- both financial and in terms of time and trouble -- would be high enough to outweigh everything else.

One of the premier embodiments of this principle is Oracle. In their tornado stage, their main competitor was Ingres. Oracle didn't care about the customer; Ingres put the customer first. The rest is history:

Except... Oracle is now being killed by pretty much everyone, including free Postgres/Citus. Takes a while, but it's happening. The market's mature now, it's not a land-grab, and the worst possible platform to use is Oracle, because they still have a bad attitude. Those stuck on Oracle are trying to get off. So in the long run, this is an awful stupid strategy. Everyone hates Oracle. Switching costs are high, but companies WILL do it to get away from Oracle. (Just like companies paid a premium to get away from Microsoft, where switching costs were even higher). Oracle's been bleeding market share for five years.

So in the truly long term, the Oracle strategy is a plan for corporate death. It takes many years, but it happens. I want Tesla to be a 50-year-plus investment.

Tesla's already better off than Oracle because Oracle is openly customer-hostile (as was Microsoft!) and Tesla is *trying* to do a decent job. But it's important not to ever be like Oracle.
 
TSLA shares gained 16% today, my total TSLA portfolio 27%.

Does anyone like to share their TSLA portfolio gain today as well?

Would be fun to find out who’s extremely leveraged, and how that played out today.

I recall someone saying you're not supposed to share overly specific numbers here, but what the hey. Feel free to mod if it's against the rules.
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So in the truly long term, the Oracle strategy is a plan for corporate death. It takes many years, but it happens. I want Tesla to be a 50-year-plus investment.

Tesla's already better off than Oracle because Oracle is openly customer-hostile (as was Microsoft!) and Tesla is *trying* to do a decent job. But it's important not to ever be like Oracle.

Of course, I agree Tesla should not aspire to behave like Oracle. Except for the tornado stage :).
 
The great Tamberrino shuffle lol.. raised PT by $15

Goldman Sachs raised its price target, but says Tesla is still overvalued
Price target: $210 from $195

“This was a positive quarter," analyst David Tamberrino said. "Automotive gross margins, cash burn, and ending cash balance were better than expected. In addition, the company may have turned the corner on its historical operational mis-execution —further noting they have learned from past experiences and expect to improve capital efficiency at new plants going forward (somewhat corroborated near-term by another reduction in 2018 capex guidance). However, improvement from historical launches was also communicated for both the Model X and Model 3 launches."
 
Good Car Bad Car should have rounded up all the numbers soon — or I may go ahead and do so first — but you can see June figures here to get a sense of the whole market segment.

I think the most impressive thing is that Model 3 is, for July, the 20th best-selling vehicle in the US. Sometime next year, when they reach 10K/week, it will be in the top 5.

Anyway, "small and midsized luxury sedans"... Model 3 should be about 25% of that market class in August.
 
I think the most impressive thing is that Model 3 is, for July, the 20th best-selling vehicle in the US. Sometime next year, when they reach 10K/week, it will be in the top 5.

Anyway, "small and midsized luxury sedans"... Model 3 should be about 25% of that market class in August.

Yes, the rise has (happily) forced me to do at least 3 posts a month putting it into perspective — US EV Sales, Small & Midsize Luxury Sales (which are getting insanely fun), and Top Car Sales. The latter should get really interesting in coming months.
 
I think the most impressive thing is that Model 3 is, for July, the 20th best-selling vehicle in the US. Sometime next year, when they reach 10K/week, it will be in the top 5.

Anyway, "small and midsized luxury sedans"... Model 3 should be about 25% of that market class in August.

I thought it was impressive that the Model 3 was already the Number One/Numero Uno/Top Dog passenger car in the U.S. by revenue for the month of July (and still ramping fast). But no one else seems to care so I guess I'm easily pleased.:)
 
I'm thinking TSLA has room to run. This is what explosive growth looks like (graph TSLA '13). At the time it appeared Tesla was going Bankwupt! Then their first fully design car, Model S, won coveted Car of the Year Award, sales took off and BOOM!

Very similar scenario this time around. Model 3 is so much better than I could ever have imagined, and much more profitable. BOOM BOOM!! I'm not even thinking of selling at these prices.

Just wait until Tesla Energy ramps up, potentially creating more revenue then their auto division. BOOM BOOM BOOM!! This is a years play. Warren Buffett strategy to generate wealth: invest in what you know, buy in, and stay in. Time and Patience.
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Now I'm going out for a drive in my M3 to top off a great day! Looking forward to tomorrow.
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I like multiple paths. Perhaps we could put the Pickup in the S/X bucket. I'd love to see S/X/Pickup grow another 100k in a few years, but expanding S/X would need a new factory. I also expect a model refresh before tooling a new line.

Doesn't really matter but perhaps the Pickup would be more comfortable in a bucket with cousin Semi?

Another possibility -- a third shift in Fremont could (theoretically) boost Model S/X over 100K once Model 3 production settles in a bit.

So many paths ....
 
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