Russia isn't that important. GDP is really low, and they're only 144 million people, compared to the EU that's 511 million. That said, Eastern Europe may be a good choice.
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Where would I put the European factory? Personally? Norway. Call it a thankyou for high EV sales. Tons of renewable energy. Ports. Good location. No question about skills.
Alternatively, for centrality, Austria.
Alternatively, for centrality, Austria.
Eindhoven was a factory town. Philips main factory so have quite a few skilled labour. However that is in decline and the industral section has a lot of vacancies. It also has a lively downtwon core that most tech workers will enjoy. Unlike other factory towns that are just down right dystopian.
On top of that, the dutch have a somewhat large engineering workforce.
Of course eastern europe will be cheaper, but I haven't been to any town in eastern Europe where the conditions are perfect or resonate with me as a place I'd like to stay and work at.
The surprising twist is that london to eindhoven cost only £25. Cheaper than land transport. Not sure if it is still in effect. Like all factory towns, it is also well connected by rail. Large roads with rarely any traffic and bicycle highways typical of any dutch city.[/QUOTE]
I'd imagine that Spain might be a suitable location - they think so:
Spain launches a campaign to attract Tesla’s first European EV factory
Lots of experience making cars..
On top of that, the dutch have a somewhat large engineering workforce.
Of course eastern europe will be cheaper, but I haven't been to any town in eastern Europe where the conditions are perfect or resonate with me as a place I'd like to stay and work at.
The surprising twist is that london to eindhoven cost only £25. Cheaper than land transport. Not sure if it is still in effect. Like all factory towns, it is also well connected by rail. Large roads with rarely any traffic and bicycle highways typical of any dutch city.[/QUOTE]
I'd imagine that Spain might be a suitable location - they think so:
Spain launches a campaign to attract Tesla’s first European EV factory
Lots of experience making cars..
Yes but in Norway wages and union power is very high.
At the same time, California isn't the cheapest place either, so ....
I wonder why Tesla settled the autopilot suit - you would think that would make them vulnerable to follow-on suits from anyone who has ever bought a Tesla.
I think they should put it in a cheap Eastern European country. There is also very skilled workers there, and the wages in some places are 1/3 of western european countries. But infrastructure might suck...
RobStark
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Tesla had a deal to make Model S in New Mexico before they got a free factory in California, one of the largest in the world.
Second time they had a choice Tesla picked Northern Nevada.
Taxes and regulations have gone up quite a bit in the last 8 years.
Elon has said they might not pick California if they had to do it all over again.
Yeah. Norway wouldn't be the worst choice. I suspect the satellite factories will mostly be automated lines with minimal unskilled labour, so wages won't really matter that much. Skilled labour is expensive everywhere.
The unions aren't really too bad either. I've been a member of NITO for a decade, and there hasn't been a strike yet. Unions here are for the most part reasonable and try to cooperate with the industries for a mutually beneficial outcome.
The thing that makes Norway a less than ideal location is that we aren't a member of EU, and our currency isn't the Euro. I'm unsure just how much that matters, but I do think it matters.
Yes a fairly heavely automated factory would work as labour is generally well skilled and good engineers are probably cheaper in Norway than in California. Unskilled labour is expensive though so you need lots of automation.
As Yggdrasill says our unions are strong but generally very reasonable.
Easy access to green electricity and very supportive of EVs not to mention strong engineering clusters several different places. The NOK and not the Euro might be an issue and sitting at the top of Europe no can claim it's centrally located in Europe. But our ports are fairly good.
So not the worst choice by any means, though maybe not the best either.
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They hired a CFO for China? Does this mean Tesla China will have their own financial reporting?
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At first glance, this looks really impressive. They address most of the areas I think Tesla needs to improve in. I’d love to hear from any TMC members with more knowledge on their backgrounds & how successful their previous projects were.
Old news much? The suit covered people during the time between AP1 going away and AP2 working when there were no features active. Nothing about current AP2 performance.
I captured a screen shot earlier today. Vaguely reminded me from long ago of bad hifi amplier response to step wave function. Might imply instability?
Yes, but the relevance is today's settlement announcement and whether it opens the door to new suits from similarly situated plaintiffs.
Ah, what's old is news again.
Settlement was announced May 1st, although the acceptance by the class is new.
Original news
Tesla agrees to partially reimburse people who bought Autopilot 2.0 in $5 million settlement of class action lawsuit
Today's article:
If it follows standard practice, it won't actually include a finding of fault, just a class and payout schedule. A limited pool of people who were previously affected and no basis to support further claims.
Yah, sure, you betcha! Cheap energy too, if I remember right, a lot of hydroelectric. Norway loves Tesla, would be great to pay it back (if it makes cents).
This is America the door is ALWAYS open to new lawsuits.
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