The original 911 was for trees being on fire not a car. The fire department did not know people were in danger.
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[UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied
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The original 911 was for trees being on fire not a car. The fire department did not know people were in danger.
Surely this sad accident is why FSD/autonomous driving cannot come soon enough.
What would have happened if a family was walking on the sidewalk at the time of the crash, so some one been on a pedal bike??!!
It appears as a society we tolerate human stupidly as an acceptable cause of fatal road traffic accidents all the time, yet flinch at the suggestion autonomous software may make a mistake like kerbing a wheel.
FSD cannot come soon enough.
What would have happened if a family was walking on the sidewalk at the time of the crash, so some one been on a pedal bike??!!
It appears as a society we tolerate human stupidly as an acceptable cause of fatal road traffic accidents all the time, yet flinch at the suggestion autonomous software may make a mistake like kerbing a wheel.
FSD cannot come soon enough.
Jim in Houston
Jim in Omaha
They said tonight on the news that draft NTSB report indicates that there is surveillance video of one person getting in drivers seat and one in passenger seat just before the accident. To me this indicates that their was a driver and he climbed over the seats and got caught in back seat after crash. Yes we all know there are ways to get autopilot to engage when no one is in the drivers seat. However, as stated in report the tried to recreate the accident and they could not get autosteer to engage on that road.
Yep. To me its always been laughable that "local authorities" thought that no one was in the driver's seat during the crash.
It's like the fact that the car was a Tesla means it is some kind of future mobile where it was possible that no one was driving.
These local yokels are some real top-notch investigators (not). WTF.
Houston Chronicle has an article on the preliminary NTSB results and whether the Constable’s office is still standing by their earlier report. Article touches on other aspects of the accident and reaction to it. I’m linking from my AppleNews feed as going directly through HC’s website or through Google looking for the story both met with “continue reading if you subscribe”.
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“Herman’s office on Monday said the incident remains under investigation but did not respond to a request for comment on whether it was standing by its initial reports.”
Article also included accident statistics for Texas comparing Teslas and other vehicles over a few different time periods.
Owner started in driver's seat in deadly Tesla crash, investigators find — Houston Chronicle
Two men killed in last month’s fiery Tesla crash in Spring were in the front seats of the car moments before the wreck, according to federal investigators, whose preliminary report appears to contradict earlier police accounts.
apple.news
“Herman’s office on Monday said the incident remains under investigation but did not respond to a request for comment on whether it was standing by its initial reports.”
Article also included accident statistics for Texas comparing Teslas and other vehicles over a few different time periods.
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Would be interesting to see a copy....Houston Chronicle has an article on the preliminary NTSB results and whether the Constable’s office is still standing by their earlier report. Article touches on other aspects of the accident and reaction to it. I’m linking from my AppleNews feed as going directly through HC’s website or through Google looking for the story both met with “continue reading if you subscribe”.
Owner started in driver's seat in deadly Tesla crash, investigators find — Houston Chronicle
Two men killed in last month’s fiery Tesla crash in Spring were in the front seats of the car moments before the wreck, according to federal investigators, whose preliminary report appears to contradict earlier police accounts.
“Herman’s office on Monday said the incident remains under investigation but did not respond to a request for comment on whether it was standing by its initial reports.”
Article also included accident statistics for Texas comparing Teslas and other vehicles over a few different time periods.
KPRC2’s Click2Houston had this news and video report tonight with an NTSB spokesperson:
www.click2houston.com
Security camera shows Tesla owner got into driver’s seat before deadly crash, NTSB says
Home security camera footage shows that the owner of a Tesla got into the driver’s seat of the car shortly before a deadly crash in suburban Houston.
www.click2houston.com
Of what? If the preliminary NTSB report, there’s a link to it provided in this post.
[UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied
Curious about the initial story that came out in the press from a BIL. Never got a quote from him that I recall but the statement printed had to do with the owner jumping in the back seat. If he was just guessing that might have happened, that reporter helped create the story of driverless car...
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Just 2 pages with text and photo of street and of car.
Needsdecaf
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He was seen getting in the car, and the car drove away. Left unsaid is if the timing of this is immediately pre-crash or not.
Unless they did several loops and somehow set this up, there was NO TIME to climb over the seat. Please tell me, what 59 year old man can set TACC going, figure out a way to keep it going, and then climb over the seat in 10 seconds or less?
shrineofchance
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“ The Tesla Model S involved in a fatal crash in Texas last month was likely not in autopilot mode, according to a preliminary report released by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). The agency also said the owner was initially in the driver's seat.
Home surveillance footage shows the owner of the 2019 Tesla getting into the driver’s seat and his passenger getting into the front passenger seat before crashing 550 feet down the road. Local officials previously said there was “no indication that that anyone was in the driver’s seat” and the two victims were found in the front passenger and back seat of the vehicle.
The NTSB said the car was equipped with autopilot, but in order for the feature to work, both traffic-aware cruise control and autosteer systems must be engaged. The NTSB conducted a test at the crash site and found the autosteer system was not available on that part of the road. ”
Autopilot likely not engaged in Texas Tesla crash, NTSB report says
The Tesla Model S involved in a fatal crash in Texas last month was likely not in Autopilot mode, according to the National Transportation Safety Board.
abcnews.go.com
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shrineofchance
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Important update on this story:
teslamotorsclub.com
ABC News: “Autopilot likely not engaged in Texas Tesla crash, NTSB report says”
“ The Tesla Model S involved in a fatal crash in Texas last month was likely not in autopilot mode, according to a preliminary report released by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). The agency also said the owner was initially in the driver's seat. Home surveillance footage shows...
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shrineofchance
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550 feet = 0.1042 miles
At 10 mph, this distance would be traversed in 38 seconds.
At 15 mph, 25 seconds.
At 20 mph, 19 seconds.
www.wolframalpha.com
At 10 mph, this distance would be traversed in 38 seconds.
At 15 mph, 25 seconds.
At 20 mph, 19 seconds.
0.1042 miles at 25 mph - Wolfram|Alpha
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shrineofchance
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shrineofchance
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The NTSB is still doing forensic analysis on the "derformed" steering wheel to determine if there was a body in the driver's seat at the moment of the crash.
Tesla has argued the state of the steering wheel indicated that someone was in the driver's seat at the time of the crash. The NTSB has yet to comment on this.
Tesla has argued the state of the steering wheel indicated that someone was in the driver's seat at the time of the crash. The NTSB has yet to comment on this.
Does any person who is even slightly conversant with how autopilot works believe that this person could have engaged autopilot under those circumstances and then ghost-ridden the whip for 550 feet into a tree?
If some magnificent acrobatic stuntman managed to pull this off, would this in some way be the automaker's fault? Could this have been avoided if only the automaker had used somewhat different language to describe its driver-assistance features?
If some magnificent acrobatic stuntman managed to pull this off, would this in some way be the automaker's fault? Could this have been avoided if only the automaker had used somewhat different language to describe its driver-assistance features?
Yes, Musk should call it "Not an Autopilot"
Needsdecaf
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Important update on this story:
ABC News: “Autopilot likely not engaged in Texas Tesla crash, NTSB report says”
“ The Tesla Model S involved in a fatal crash in Texas last month was likely not in autopilot mode, according to a preliminary report released by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). The agency also said the owner was initially in the driver's seat. Home surveillance footage shows...
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We're already discussing those details here.
Something else to consider is the driver according to the Fire Marshall’s report (see Jalopnik article at bottom—Scribd) was 5’10” tall. Sure it wasn’t easy for him to crawl to the back seat even after the crash let alone having quickly done so during what a 550feet drive in that short amount of time from leaving the cul de sac.
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