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justaddsun
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Sorry guys, but a local owner of one of these new cloth headliner P85s also has the leatherette lower dash and not the nappa leather that I have seen on previous P85s. I didn't think it was a big deal and like the durability of leatherette there, but if you paid for it, that may be a different story. This looks like it would be a much quicker swap out than the headliner if Tesla chose to do that...
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jimbakker666
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So, umm...is Tesla going to proactively notify all vehicle owners affected by this or are they just gonna wait to see if the customer notices a difference in headliner and questions it? It's sort of a no-brainer.
I'm P85 cloth headliner owner and I can't tell if my lower dash is leatherette or not. It seems identical to the leather on the seats. How can you tell the difference?
On further thought, I don't even care if it is leatherette since I can't tell the difference from the my leather seats. However, the headliner - I can definitely tell the difference.
I would imagine it would become a tech bulletin If owners don't know, don't notice or don't care then they may or may not ever get a replacement. There could be hundreds.
As connected as I am to the Tesla community I did not hear about the Roadster radio antenna upgrade that was a tech bulletin for more than a year. I just happened to mention the car's poor reception when our service center got new management and they asked how I liked the car... Of course I posted the upgrade here for others.
jimbakker666
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I would imagine it would become a tech bulletin If owners don't know, don't notice or don't care then they may or may not ever get a replacement. There could be hundreds.
As connected as I am to the Tesla community I did not hear about the Roadster radio antenna upgrade that was a tech bulletin for more than a year. I just happened to mention the car's poor reception when our service center got new management and they asked how I liked the car... Of course I posted the upgrade here for others.
This sort of stuff makes me want to go volunteer my labor for Tesla and take care of it, it's annoying to see them missing the easy stuff. Just give me the lowest, filthiest, throwaway Model S as compensation
I'm considering doing this for SpaceX by the way, just because I support the mission. Lest anyone here think I dislike Tesla or Musk.Talked to delivery specialist on my car today and they will be getting the parts and a team up from factory to replace the headliner on my car before I take delivery. No idea yet on timing, guessing it may be a bit quicker turn for me as they want to get my money and delivery the vehicle. Has anyone out there had their headliner replaced at this point and are they happy with the work that Tesla did in replacing it?
According to this same contact, only difference on my car from all other P85's is the headliner but I am pushing them harder on the dash as I'm betting if a couple others got leatherette, mine will have it as well. Personally, I would be more worried about them replacing the dash then the headliner as dashes are notorious for squeaks and rattles.
According to this same contact, only difference on my car from all other P85's is the headliner but I am pushing them harder on the dash as I'm betting if a couple others got leatherette, mine will have it as well. Personally, I would be more worried about them replacing the dash then the headliner as dashes are notorious for squeaks and rattles.
that sucks. scanning through some stuff, there was this post http://www.teslamotors.com/fr_FR/forum/forums/model-s-vs-model-s-performance-price-difference that said:
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So much for the "extensive leather throughout".
Let's start a new poll thread titled 'What will they take away next on the P85 without telling anyone?'
A) the contrast piping
B) Alcantara bolsters (whatevers left of it anyway)
C) sport-tuned traction control (who knows if there really is a difference here)
D) the P85 pedals
E) the spoiler (I have yet to receive mine, so technically this might already be true, lol)
F) carbon fiber accents
G) all nappa leather replaced by pleather
H) high performance power inverter
I) the steering wheel
J) the front mats
K) the touchscreen, replaced by a cardboard mockup that you see in furniture stores.
clearly, I'm being sarcastic. But as a P85 owner, I get personally offended when I hear that they start to take away features that made the P85 unique in the first place. I really hope the synthetic leather on a P85 was a mistake and that they'll fix it for you. If Elon is really on top of this like he said, I doubt he'd sign off on this one too. I don't think we'll ever know the real reason why the Alcatara headliner and nappa leather accents are being taken away, or if that was just a 'poor temporary business call' to shove more cars out the door by the end of March. I suspect that may be the issue, and the decision to do that was likely made without Elon's knowledge, and I am sure he is also personally offended by it and has probably already yelled at or fired whoever made those decisions. All speculation of course. We need someone on the inside....lol They hiring?? haha
So here is the big philosophical question: Does it matter if it is leather or not if you can't tell the difference?
I know for a lot of people it does. And that is fine. But actually in general prefer synthetic leather to dead cow carcass. Not that I don't love me some leather, but if I can't tell the difference then give me the petro-leather!
On my shoes I can tell a difference, they are leather. On my seating surfaces I can't tell the difference so they are synthetic. Belts are leather because the synthetic stuff doesn't hold up nearly as well. Some panel that I never really touch, not going to be a problem if it is petro-leather.
And don't forget the Alcantara everyone loves so much is petro-leather. Alcantara (material) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I believe my dash has the synthetic leather too - it is different from the seats and is textured. What are the pros/cons to leatherette vs. nappa leather on the dash? I'm inclined to get the dash replaced with the real leather but would like to hear why so many of you are choosing to keep the leatherette.
justaddsun
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The P85 nappa on the lower dash feels like the nappa on the seats or doors -- very, very soft and smooth. The lower dash leatherette feels tougher and grainier like the top dash. I have no doubt it is more durable than the nappa and kind of wished they put leatherette on the doors where my elbow and arm goes.
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artsci
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Emailed my DS last night to ask about if the Alcantara headliner would be installed on the reds entering production. Good news. Here's the response:
Because your car has not started production yet, it was not affected by this mistake and it will come with the proper Alcantara headliner. Thank you for reaching out and asking.
Because your car has not started production yet, it was not affected by this mistake and it will come with the proper Alcantara headliner. Thank you for reaching out and asking.
Ohms.Law
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Good news artsci! Although I still don't think it's a deal breaker like many seem to think. But then again I don't have either cloth or Alcantara so what do I know.
Today's word on my car is that they are waiting for factory to tell them what parts are needed and when they will be available. Was also told that another option to putting the proper Alcantara headliner into my car was an offer of $1k off to accept the car as is. This $1k bone is in line with the 2 years of free service they have offered others. Told them make that $2k and allow me to have the headliner corrected by a upholstery shop without "voiding" the warranty as has been reported and they have a deal. Supposed to get an answer back to me in next couple days on this one.
To those who are confused why some of us are making a big deal out of this --- for me, it is somewhat about the Alcantara as I love that material as a headliner even though it is a synthetic - looks very rich. Bigger issue is Tesla just changing the build spec on the car without informing any of us - that is just wrong of a company to do something like this and I, for one, will hold their feet to the fire to correct it.
On Napa versus leatherette on the lower dash - the Napa is a much nicer feel and matches the seats and door panels more exactly. Leatherette is pretty bullet proof material but I do not see the lower dash seeing any wear no mater the material, just not an area that sees abuse in my cars. Real leather is no more work to care for properly in my opinion and will look perfect for a very long time with basic care. To me, another thing that Tesla changed without telling folks on this batch of "get them out before the end of the quarter" P85's!
To those who are confused why some of us are making a big deal out of this --- for me, it is somewhat about the Alcantara as I love that material as a headliner even though it is a synthetic - looks very rich. Bigger issue is Tesla just changing the build spec on the car without informing any of us - that is just wrong of a company to do something like this and I, for one, will hold their feet to the fire to correct it.
On Napa versus leatherette on the lower dash - the Napa is a much nicer feel and matches the seats and door panels more exactly. Leatherette is pretty bullet proof material but I do not see the lower dash seeing any wear no mater the material, just not an area that sees abuse in my cars. Real leather is no more work to care for properly in my opinion and will look perfect for a very long time with basic care. To me, another thing that Tesla changed without telling folks on this batch of "get them out before the end of the quarter" P85's!
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