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VW, still high on diesel fumes, thinks snowball EV can beat Model 3
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EV-lutioin
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The fact that a legacy automaker like VW is chasing Tesla and announcing it to the world confirms the amazing progress Tesla has made in "accelerating sustainable transport". Chase, baby, chase!
Agreed, it is a big institutional change and an aggressive target. In theory, if they don't spend the money (in auditable ways) to accomplish those plans by the end of the 30 month period they will face financial penalties written into the legal settlement.
Sean Wagner
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That's incorrect. While Lucky Goldstar builds the entire drivetrain plus many major ancillary components for GM in Korea, the electric motor is a GM design. The efficiency of the car is excellent - something the unappealing wrapper fails to reflect.
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What I wrote is that VW could 'do a Tesla'. Positive brand recognition (Porsche or Audi), good design studio, Halo PHEV already, money.
But, if it's been 6 years, and the best they could come up with so far are to Golf-based vehicles with average or less than average specification, the eGolf (performance inhibited) and the A3 eTron (all but badging inhibited). They are waiting as long as possible.
As time goes on, EVs become cheaper to produce. Most mfr's are waiting it out. Putting batteries in their existing line with little concern for performance or range.
Others bite the bullet, and do ground up efforts. Some do a blend.
The longer a car company waits to produce low cost EVs in quantity, the more profitable it will be for their bottom line. Toyota and Honda are waiting it out as are some smaller companies.
GM took an interesting approach. Instead of relying just on retail sales for the Bolt, they also engineered it to be an autonomous toolkit. And a Subsidy Rideshare car. And a Lyft/Maven car. Note the commercial level of base interior and reliance on cellular based navigation systems. Retail sales do not tell the whole story about the Bolt. It is possible for every consumer car on the road, there is 1 or more company cars. I have no current numbers, and GM is not talking. GM has at least 100 (1000?) doing autonomous training, they have Maven cars already,
GM appears to have no intention to compete with Tesla at this point in time. They have had their own game plan ever since they put EVs on the moon.
What about Power Inverter Module,On Board Charger, Electric Climate Control System Compressor, Battery Cells and Pack, High Power Distribution Module, Battery Heater, Accessory Power Module, Power Line Communication Module, Instrument Cluster, Infotainment System?
But more to my point, look at the skateboard. A Tesla fits all those things in, and still has room for a frunk. The Bolt looks like a ICE car that someone magically converted to electricity. Without the battery I challenge anyone to tell that this is an electric car.
Thank you kindly.
Perhaps. But that depends on the idea that making EVs is easy. That any car-maker can just replicate a Tesla, and they are good to go. We haven't seen anything like that yet. Many are producing EVs, so they aren't really waiting, they just aren't producing anything compelling and mass market. Mistakes in a mass market car are going to be outrageously expensive, perhaps fatally so. I hope that car-makers are getting their learning in now.
GM for example has traditionally prided themselves on their drive trains. They might outsource other parts, but the drive train stayed in-house. They are doing exactly the opposite for the Bolt. Where are they putting their pride on that car?
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igotzzoom
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One thing VW is never short of is hubris and arrogance. The have been reasonably successful in spite of themselves.
SageBrush
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There is no Perhaps. Please use a dictionary if you are curious as to what words mean. Thank you kindly.
Do you ever do any research on topics before you post? Nothing in that paragraph's content is correct or on topic.
Thank you kindly.
The problem is that these companies have multiple levels of executive and senior staffs who's entire experience has been designing ICE for outsourced sub-system manufacturing and competing on narrow marketing measures.
Plus who are in high paying, powerful positions with massive budgets to protect and control. And they got there through a combination of smarts and political abilities.
Usually a pretty good way to compete in an industry with small margins and low capital efficiency.
Very much the wrong structure and leadership of your industry is undergoing massive disruption.
Plus who are in high paying, powerful positions with massive budgets to protect and control. And they got there through a combination of smarts and political abilities.
Usually a pretty good way to compete in an industry with small margins and low capital efficiency.
Very much the wrong structure and leadership of your industry is undergoing massive disruption.
Awesome timing. Here GM is claiming that a low volume model, with outsourced battery manufacturing is lower cost than Tesla's GF.
GM trims battery costs, aims to make profitable EVs - The Detroit News
GM trims battery costs, aims to make profitable EVs (The Detroit News)
Right. That's plenty believable.
Maybe at this point GM should just move their HQ to DC
GM trims battery costs, aims to make profitable EVs - The Detroit News
GM trims battery costs, aims to make profitable EVs (The Detroit News)
Right. That's plenty believable.
Maybe at this point GM should just move their HQ to DC
'Perhaps' is such a persuasive rebuttal to well known facts that you directly refute.
"I don't believe earth rotates."
"Does this 24hr video from space refute that?"
"Perhaps. However dogs can get fleas, and pizzas are often round, and space videos require glue to hold them together. So they are useless data and VW and GM are one and the same. EVs will be $5 each tomorrow when production and demand jump to 1 million per day because this graph shows the cells and driveline will cost less than nothing by Friday."
Thank you kindly.
Kids, Kids, please, there is no need to fight.
VW's EV and the Bolt are ridiculous enough. Let's not sink to their levels...
VW's EV and the Bolt are ridiculous enough. Let's not sink to their levels...
