Waymo

[ThomasD]

Intense fog waymo is driving in.

At least it can still see the lines

 

[ThomasD]

Looks like visibility is about an 1/8 of a mile

 

[hooty]

Authorities are not exactly pleased with Waymo - the city would ban Waymo if they could tomorrow.

False equivalence

 

[hooty]

Clearly you haven't kept up on news. SF is trying to pass an ordinance to ban both Waymo and Cruise from the city streets.

Yet another, false equivalence

 

[hooty]

1) Data set. Tesla's dataset is at minimum 2 orders of magnitude larger, and they are spending money to properly label the dataset on which the NN's are trained. Proper data labelling removes the "garbage in, garbage out" scenario.

1 billion times zero equals zero

 

[bkp_duke]

The data is real. The question is how do you interpret it. If you look at the data, it shows that the incidents they mention are pretty rare, only a handful in 1M driverless miles. In fact, none those violations caused an accident. So they were not safety issues. SF officials are redefining minor violations or inconveniences as safety issues to try to argue Waymo is unsafe. If you look at Waymo's 1M miles driverless safety report, Waymo showed good safety. But SF officials are choosing to interpret the data to mean that Waymo is unsafe because they have a clear anti-Waymo agenda. In fact, they have been trying to shut down Waymo for months now to no avail. This is just another desperate attempt.

Looks to me like Waymo is coloring outside of the lines in their reporting.

Waymo tops NHTSA’s list for autonomous vehicle crashes

The feds released a first-time report aimed at developing a clearer picture of autonomous vehicle safety.

www.freightwaves.com

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2022-06/ADS-SGO-Report-June-2022.pdf

62 crashes in, at the time, less than 1M miles doesn't calculate out to the reported crash rate you are touting. So, someone is massaging the data, probably only "severe" crashes (however that is defined).

 

[diplomat33]

Looks to me like Waymo is coloring outside of the lines in their reporting.

Waymo tops NHTSA’s list for autonomous vehicle crashes

The feds released a first-time report aimed at developing a clearer picture of autonomous vehicle safety.

www.freightwaves.com

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2022-06/ADS-SGO-Report-June-2022.pdf

62 crashes in, at the time, less than 1M miles doesn't calculate out to the reported crash rate you are touting. So, someone is massaging the data, probably only "severe" crashes (however that is defined).

No, I don't believe there is any massaging of the data. The apparent discrepancy can be easily explained: NHTSA is reporting all crashes even when the ADAS equipped vehicle was in manual driving mode. Waymo's 1M driverless miles safety report is only reporting crashes in driverless mode. So they are not reporting the same thing.

Here is what the NHTSA report says about how they are reporting the crashes:

"It is important to note that these crashes are categorized based on what driving automation system was reported as being equipped on the vehicle, not on what system was reported to be engaged at the time of the incident."

If you check the police report here, you can see a bunch of Waymo crashes when the vehicle was in manual driving mode. So that supports the NHTSA reporting of all crashes even the ones when the Waymo vehicle was in manual driving mode. But Waymo's safety report is only reporting crashes when the vehicle was in driverless mode. That explains why the NHTSA number of crashes is higher.

Also, note that the Waymo's 1M driverless miles safety report is only reporting crashes in driverless mode. So it is not including any crashes when there was a safety driver. Also, the Waymo report does include all crashes in driverless mode, severe and not severe.

For the purpose of measuring Waymo's safety, the NHTSA number is worthless since it includes crashes when the Waymo was not in autonomous driving mode. The Waymo report is more informative since it only includes crashes when the Waymo was actually in driverless mode (thus fully autonomous with no safety driver to intervene to prevent a collision). Crashes in driverless mode will be a true metric of safety.

 

[Bladerskb]

I think (Waymo) need to figure out how to pass a simple CA driving test, first.

Yes - hilarious, considering how Tesla has driverless permit.

- Waymo with driverless permit can't pass a simple CA driving test
- Tesla can obviously pass it since how else would they have gotten their CA driverless permit (which they don't actually have)

Tesla logic at its finest. Say things in a vacuum and hope no one notices the clear contradictions and inaccuracies.

 

[EVNow]

False equivalence

LOL. SF is trying to ban your dear Waymo. Worry about that first before wondering what would happen if and when Tesla tries driverless.

 

[EVNow]

Say things in a vacuum and hope no one notices the clear contradictions and inaccuracies.

As they say lier, lier pants on . When are you apologizing?

Didn't you ackbthat it was stupid to compare Tesla ADAS to a robotaxi ?

@diplomat33 Since you keep supporting bladder, do you approve of the lies and refusal to apologize?

 

[diplomat33]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666588126498926592

 

[EVNow]

(moderator edit: snipped the quoted post)

Some people get very antsy when TSLA goes up - wonder why

 

[EVNow]

It's a tough balancing act. There's been a time in the evolution of everything that works when it didn't work. On one side, we need to protect the public. On the other side, the technology can only evolve so far in a simulation, and at some point needs to be tested on real roads with real people in real scenarios.

I think there is enough data now to say the robotaxis should have safety drivers until they can fix the stuck taxi issue. Citizens shouldn’t be forced to be inconvenienced for corporate profits of monopoly companies.

 

[EVNow]

Waymo is now literally killing puppies.

Self-driving Waymo car kills dog amid increasing concern over robotaxis

Collision occurred as canine ran out from behind another car, but autonomous vehicle could not stop in time to avoid contact

www.theguardian.com

 

[spacecoin]

I think there is enough data now to say the robotaxis should have safety drivers until they can fix the stuck taxi issue. Citizens shouldn’t be forced to be inconvenienced for corporate profits of monopoly companies.

Cruise are behind Waymo so they get stuck a lot, ok? Ashok Elluswamy and team would probably kill for driving as drive as badly as Cruise do...

It's abundantly clear that some are TSLA investors first, and SDC enthusiasts second, if at all. It's a shame, as others come here to discuss SDC viability and technical approaches.

 

[hooty]

LOL. SF is trying to ban your dear Waymo. Worry about that first before wondering what would happen if and when Tesla tries driverless.

Correct, Tesla has yet to try driverless
Ouch!

 

[hooty]

Tesla logic at its finest. Say things in a vacuum and hope no one notices the clear contradictions and inaccuracies.

Works on the Twitter echo chamber. Surprised it doesn’t on here
Nice to see the chickens are coming home to roost

 

[hooty]

Cruise are behind Waymo so they get stuck a lot, ok? Ashok Elluswamy and team would probably kill for driving as drive as badly as Cruise do...

He’d ask Papa Elmo for permission first

It's abundantly clear that some are TSLA investors first, and SDC enthusiasts second, if at all. It's a shame, as others come here to discuss SDC viability and technical approaches.

Elmo’s pronouncement that “all cars have the hardware required for full self driving” all the way back in 2016 has been a bottomless well for cognitive dissonance

 

[EVNow]

Ouch!

Ouch indeed - 13 years, billions in monopoly money, just two tiny areas and yet can't even pass basic driving test.

Oh - now its killing puppies.

BTW, do you prefer short shorts or long shorts ?

 

[Doggydogworld]

Oh - now its killing puppies.

Bad week for puppies.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666860361381818384