What on earth is Tesla doing with versionings?

[uscbucsfan]

What action moves you from 11.3 to 11.4?

Everyone was moved, but as Tesla has done numerous times with FSD in the past, they can restrict others by keeping the versioning old. It doesn't look like 11.4 will move off of 2023.7 anytime soon.

You can't roll back, so if you have a higher version than 2023.7, you have to wait to get 11.4.

 

[kpanda17]

Got it

 

[E90alex]

My guess is since they started offering FSD trials with referrals and new car purchases, they needed to give access to beta for all these new cars with FSD. Also probably with all the calls and complaints of people subscribing to FSD but not getting beta for weeks/months.

So they’re now including older (more stable?) FSD code with the main branch software. And the original FSD beta testers that have been in it for a while are on the latest FSD beta version (but older car software).

 

[JulienW]

My guess is since they started offering FSD trials with referrals and new car purchases, they needed to give access to beta for all these new cars with FSD. Also probably with all the calls and complaints of people subscribing to FSD but not getting beta for weeks/months.

So they’re now including older (more stable?) FSD code with the main branch software. And the original FSD beta testers that have been in it for a while are on the latest FSD beta version (but older car software).

...but FSD Beta 11.3.6 will ONLY work on a new Model 3 (HW3). All the others (Y, S & X) have HW4 now and can't use FSD Beta 11.3.6.

 

[E90alex]

...but FSD Beta 11.3.6 will ONLY work on a new Model 3 (HW3). All the others (Y, S & X) have HW4 now and can't use FSD Beta 11.3.6.

Welp there goes that theory

 

[JB47394]

Welp there goes that theory

Another theory is that there over one million vehicles out there that could be subscribing to FSD, and they wanted to give them an opportunity to use the most recent version that they had confidence in.

 

[uscbucsfan]

Another theory is that there over one million vehicles out there that could be subscribing to FSD, and they wanted to give them an opportunity to use the most recent version that they had confidence in.

That's the prevailing theory.

11.4.X, whether they moved away from map data in favor of GPS+ Vision or whatever the case, is much more susceptible to unsafe procedures.

They may want to keep this away from new testers, due to the previous NHTSA recall, which are generated by owner complaints, while it's being honed.

That's a lot of speculation. All that we do know is that Tesla is unwilling to allow 11.4 to new testers for the time being. There are a handful of HW4 cars and most of the testing fleet on this version. Many would rather be on 11.3.6.

 

[kpanda17]

Like what I said:

11.3 beta, second testing by a larger group
11.4 alpha, first public testers, by smaller group

Maybe

 

[uscbucsfan]

Like what I said:

11.3 beta, second testing by a larger group
11.4 alpha, first public testers, by smaller group

Maybe

The opposite, but neither are alpha.

11.4 is the MUCH larger group (exponentially larger).

 

[kpanda17]

Ok

 

[JulienW]

Ok

You could say that 11.3.6 is the general/known to be more stable release version of FSD Beta and 11.4.x is the pre general release in testing version of FSD Beta and once a more stable version (maybe 11.4.5) is determined it will be released to everyone and the "original" Beta testers will move on to 11.5.x to test.

But who the hell knows what Tesla will do next. I sure hope that at least move us up to a more current (or better yet) the current software release. As is I would trade 11.4.4 for 23.20.8 but as of now we are "stuck" on older software with a FSD Beta version offered on new software.

 

[kpanda17]

It’s amazing if you paid for FSD and you are on 11.4 and if want to downgrade you cant
But that predicament and having to accept must have been buried in the FSD beta agreement

Once you accepted, put you on a train fastest to what Elon is saying v12 will be the true FSD release

 

[JulienW]

It’s amazing if you paid for FSD and you are on 11.4 and if want to downgrade you cant
But that predicament and having to accept must have been buried in the FSD beta agreement

Once you accepted, put you on a train fastest to what Elon is saying v12 will be the true FSD release

Actually people who subscribe to FSD CAN by suspending their subscriptions for a month. It is us who bought and paid for FSD that are stuck. More Tesla irony.

 

[kpanda17]

Elons innovative leadership is amazing, but he has some arrogance like that action that could be his downfall one day, what goes around….

 

[mjwojtukiewicz]

The FSD Beta testers are stuck on an older main branch, 2023.7 - but have latest beta (11.4.4) - meanwhile there’s some 2023.20.7 and 2023.20.8 hard pushes recently across the fleet that contain beta 11.3.6 but have latest main fixes/improvements. What on earth is Tesla doing here? Are we ever going to get a merged build instead of this separate junk? At this point I will gladly take the “downgrade” to 11.3.6 if I had access to latest features - but there’s no way to get out of the beta, apparently. I’ve emailed the beta email and never heard back. I’ve tried going through support and they say they can’t help with beta issues. Just a mess.

Email here fsDBeta <[email protected]> with your VIN and tell them you want out then receive the latest fixes when they take it down

 

[clydeiii]

The FSD Beta testers are stuck on an older main branch, 2023.7 - but have latest beta (11.4.4) - meanwhile there’s some 2023.20.7 and 2023.20.8 hard pushes recently across the fleet that contain beta 11.3.6 but have latest main fixes/improvements. What on earth is Tesla doing here? Are we ever going to get a merged build instead of this separate junk? At this point I will gladly take the “downgrade” to 11.3.6 if I had access to latest features - but there’s no way to get out of the beta, apparently. I’ve emailed the beta email and never heard back. I’ve tried going through support and they say they can’t help with beta issues. Just a mess.

If you care more about FSDb than...idk...some minor upgrade to Spotify or whatever, then it seem prudent to stay on the betabuild. I personally feel that the best aspect of the car is the FSD software stack, so I would want to stay "enrolled" in beta for as long as possible.

 

[JulienW]

Email here fsDBeta <[email protected]> with your VIN and tell them you want out then receive the latest fixes when they take it down

Throwing darts at at blackhole. Several people on this site have been sending endless emails requesting out with no response. I'm "wasting" one myself today.

 

[kpanda17]

I’m grateful to experience FSD, amazing
But want an upgrade as I al currently on 26.1/11.3.6 and know there is better UX with 11.4
Tesla push it to me

 

[uscbucsfan]

I’m grateful to experience FSD, amazing
But want an upgrade as I al currently on 26.1/11.3.6 and know there is better UX with 11.4
Tesla push it to me

It's not available for you.

 

[JulienW]

It's not available for you.

....and they sure as hell don't want it. 11.3.6 is far more stable. 11.4.x is a work in (slow) progress.