What on earth is Tesla doing with versionings?

[amadeusneo]

The FSD Beta testers are stuck on an older main branch, 2023.7 - but have latest beta (11.4.4) - meanwhile there’s some 2023.20.7 and 2023.20.8 hard pushes recently across the fleet that contain beta 11.3.6 but have latest main fixes/improvements. What on earth is Tesla doing here? Are we ever going to get a merged build instead of this separate junk? At this point I will gladly take the “downgrade” to 11.3.6 if I had access to latest features - but there’s no way to get out of the beta, apparently. I’ve emailed the beta email and never heard back. I’ve tried going through support and they say they can’t help with beta issues. Just a mess.

 

[E90alex]

Beta has always lagged behind main branch features for basically forever. That’s nothing new.

“Eventually” they will be merged on the same branch but as to when, no one has an answer. Tesla has never followed through with their own timelines. I’m not sure Tesla even knows what Tesla is doing here.

 

[TresLA]

FSDb has never had the latest and greatest features that production versions are at. It’s only recent (11.3.6) that there are now two separate beta branches. Who knows why, but my guess was to allow more into beta since the more widespread beta (allows recently delivered cars and others to more easily get into beta since you can’t downgrade (go to a version lower than your own) and many didn’t know to stop updating after “pushing the button” requesting beta.

 

[MY1stEV]

As of 2023.20.7, FSD beta is now on the current branch. 11.3.6 is the latest generally available version of FSD beta.

My understanding is FSD beta 11.4.x is limited to employee/select testers only which is why you see it on 2023.20.x and 2023.7.x branches 2023.7.x. I guess we have "beta" betas now.

(Correction: I only see 11.4.x on 2023.7.x branches.)

 

[kpanda17]

Please send the link that shows FSD version inside rhe main code version
Just received 2023.20.8 last night
What’s inside?

 

[JulienW]

Please send the link that shows FSD version inside rhe main code version
Just received 2023.20.8 last night
What’s inside?

TeslaFi.com Firmware Tracker

 

[kpanda17]

TY

 

[amadeusneo]

I'm not an employee or "private beta" tester - I paid for FSD when I bought my Model 3 and as soon as "the button" showed up to request FSD beta I clicked it and was part of the first "public beta" group. It looks like they're keeping us lumped in the older branch for some reason with newer FSD. I just wish I could choose to bail.

 

[uscbucsfan]

As of 2023.20.7, FSD beta is now on the current branch. 11.3.6 is the latest generally available version of FSD beta.

My understanding is FSD beta 11.4.x is limited to employee/select testers only which is why you see it on 2023.20.x and 2023.7.x branches 2023.7.x. I guess we have "beta" betas now.

(Correction: I only see 11.4.x on 2023.7.x branches.)

98% of FSD Beta testers are on 11.4.X, it's the main version of Beta.

 

[kpanda17]

Interesting
2023.20.X for older FSD
2023.7.x for new FSD, beta?

I’m a FSD newbie, forgive

 

[uscbucsfan]

Interesting
2023.20.X for older FSD
2023.7.x for new FSD, beta?

I’m a FSD newbie, forgive

It's speculation, but 11.4.X has been less stable than 11.3.6. Tesla has provided 11.3.6 to new subscribers/owners that have HW3.

Tesla is keeping 11.4.X behind 2023.7.X (11.4.5 is 2023.7.25) and including 11.3.6 in multiple updates which originally started on 2022.45.12, then in 2023.12.10/11 and now 2023.20.X.

 

[amadeusneo]

Interesting
2023.20.X for older FSD
2023.7.x for new FSD, beta?

I’m a FSD newbie, forgive

Yes, 2023.7.20 is running v11.4.4 FSD - and 2023.20.8 is running v11.3.6 FSD.

2023.7.x version is where a lot (almost all?) of the FSD beta users are. The folks who are getting the newer versions who also are using FSD beta - I don't know the rhyme/reason. Maybe HW4 or some other difference?

 

[uscbucsfan]

Yes, 2023.7.20 is running v11.4.4 FSD - and 2023.20.8 is running v11.3.6 FSD.

2023.7.x version is where a lot (almost all?) of the FSD beta users are. The folks who are getting the newer versions who also are using FSD beta - I don't know the rhyme/reason. Maybe HW4 or some other difference?

HW4 isn't compatible in 11.3.6, only on 11.4.X.

 

[kpanda17]

Wow, great info learning this new beta world

 

[kpanda17]

Not worthy of the FSD club yet, as I don’t own it
But plan on being a monthly subscriber at times in the future
WFH and therefore only drive on vacation
Sub the month when I drive

 

[MY1stEV]

98% of FSD Beta testers are on 11.4.X, it's the main version of Beta.

Hmm, I'm running FSD beta, but I'm on 2023.20.7/11.3.6.

It's hard to tell anymore with the new listing in TeslaFi. Before you knew who was beta based on solely on the firmware version. Now you can't tell if someone is 2023.20.x with or without being in the beta. The data below implies that 50% of the fleet is on 2023.20.x and 25% is on 2023.7.x.

 

[kpanda17]

Is there FSD alpha? 11.4
And 11.3 is really beta
Forgot which is more bleeding edge alpha or beta

 

[uscbucsfan]

Is there FSD alpha? 11.4
And 11.3 is really beta
Forgot which is more bleeding edge alpha or beta

No. FSD has the NoA and Stop SIgn Control (basically just a little more advanced EAP) and then Beta.

There's just 2 versions. A vast majority of the Beta testers are on 11.4.X. I have no clue if they are still taking feedback from 11.3.6 considering the architectural changes in 11.4.X

 

[uscbucsfan]

Hmm, I'm running FSD beta, but I'm on 2023.20.7/11.3.6.

It's hard to tell anymore with the new listing in TeslaFi. Before you knew who was beta based on solely on the firmware version. Now you can't tell if someone is 2023.20.x with or without being in the beta. The data below implies that 50% of the fleet is on 2023.20.x and 25% is on 2023.7.x.

View attachment 955934

Basically every tester who was testing Beta prior to 2023.12.10 releasing is on 11.4.X. Depending who you ask, between 100k-400k testers are in that main group.

 

[kpanda17]

What action moves you from 11.3 to 11.4?