nwdiver
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Yep, we're going to keep leaching off everyone else for as long as we can... incredibly pathetic and sad. So much for America leading. Now we're the Heroin addled embarrassment living in Moms basement.
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Wow, see Trumps Climate and Energy Policy just put up on the White House Site
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Yep, we're going to keep leaching off everyone else for as long as we can... incredibly pathetic and sad. So much for America leading. Now we're the Heroin addled embarrassment living in Moms basement.
This is where you are either misinformed, ignorant, or just being difficult. The $ paid to PPA are the same amount that would have been paid to ???? Edison. It's not additional cost. And after end of contract, power becomes free. Do you not know a good deal when you see one?
Besides, health insurance... fuggedaboudit. It's only going stratospheric!
nwdiver
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A few years ago so-called climate change deniers claimed with academic posture that temperatures don't rise anymore and have plateaued, or even that there would be the start of a long cooling. They also accused climate scientists of arguing deceivingly when they said that it is just one of the not-so-uncommon temporary weather-related fluctuations, and that temperatures will keep rising long-term.
Now the picture looks like this :
Obviously, the climate scientists were correct, and the current cold winter in some places just shows what climate scientists have said all along, that climate change will include temporary extremes and disturbances in all directions.
Now the picture looks like this :
Obviously, the climate scientists were correct, and the current cold winter in some places just shows what climate scientists have said all along, that climate change will include temporary extremes and disturbances in all directions.
Help me out here, because I'm having a hard time following. You started off by saying that the oceans were off gassing CO2 (posts 114, 121, 124). At least net-net. But then you started to say that we're releasing it into the atmosphere faster than it's being taken in, a completely different proposition (129). That means it's still absorbing but we're outproducing it's ability. Then, finally, you seem to agree with @nwdiver in saying that the ocean's ability is tapering (131, quoted above).
I may be misinterpreting or misunderstanding your posts. But given that you showed up with your badge around your neck and denigrated one of our members, I'd be interested in hearing either an apology and retraction, or an explanation of why I'm being a bit dense about the seeming fluidity of your posts.
voyager
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I know I'm pushing it.... But this one made me laugh, after hearing the CNN-Kellyanne Conway debate about "alternative facts and falsehoods"...
I mean, Trump thinks that global warming is just bogus.
I mean, Trump thinks that global warming is just bogus.
This might be funny if Donald Trump's father had not been arrested at a KKK rally in Queens in 1927, although he was released. It was real factual, not alternative anything.I know I'm pushing it.... But this one made me laugh, after hearing the CNN-Kellyanne Conway debate about "alternative facts and falsehoods"... I mean, Trump thinks that global warming is just bogus.
In 1927, Donald Trump’s father was arrested after a Klan riot in Queens
voyager
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Hm... this makes it funny and factual in a twisted-semantic kind of way then...
A 21 year old who was detained then released without charge at a Memorial Day Parade where a Fascist vs Anti-Fascist altercation occurred 90 years ago was a KKK member named Fred Trump who would later have a son who is now the President?
Or am I not spinning it for the correct hemisphere?
Maybe not. From the actual information presented back in 1927 it is unclear where Fred Trump was or was not a member. The only thing that happened is that he was arrested at a KKK rally, booked, then soon after, released. There is much more data about his activities in renting apartments, mostly in Queens.
None of that is related to President Trump's energy policy nor his repudiation of climate science. Those are dismal enough without adding to the fire.
TheTalkingMule
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People like this are just pissed off and therefore not open to changing their mind right now, and that's fine. The anger comes from a perfectly honest annoyance with the direction of the country, the current lack of opportunity and annoying condensation from the left. Fair enough.
When the idea of being paid by SolarCity to remove your family's entire carbon footprint for 20 years seems like a hard sell, there's a lot more going on than just working through the pros & cons.
I think shooting for energy independence on the back of fracking is relatively OK. We're already doing it anyway. So long as some consumer protection deals are brokered at the federal level with regard to solar homeowner's rights, we'll be fine. Hell, we might even end up better off if the right negotiation takes place. Trump DOES DEALS.
Arguing what people should do is silly, just give them the info and the opportunity. If they want to ignore the savings of solar, feel free. Someone in the market will ALWAYS pick up that dropped opportunity so long as they have some reliable protection.
And this: Trump Puts Keystone XL, Dakota Access Pipelines Back on Table
Trump Puts Keystone XL, Dakota Access Pipelines Back on Table
WASHINGTON— President Trump signed executive orders today to push ahead with the controversial Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines. Both projects sparked widespread opposition and protests, especially because of their risks to water, wildlife, climate and people.
“Donald Trump is wasting no time in digging up two of the worst oil industry projects in the past decade and trying to rush them out the door,” said Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity. “If it wasn’t clear before that Trump is acting at the behest of the oil industry, it certainly is now.”
Keystone XL would stretch across hundreds of miles and carry up to 35 million gallons of oil every day from Canada’s tar sands — one of the dirtiest energy sources in the world — to refineries in Texas. Most of it would be exported.
Trump Puts Keystone XL, Dakota Access Pipelines Back on Table
WASHINGTON— President Trump signed executive orders today to push ahead with the controversial Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines. Both projects sparked widespread opposition and protests, especially because of their risks to water, wildlife, climate and people.
“Donald Trump is wasting no time in digging up two of the worst oil industry projects in the past decade and trying to rush them out the door,” said Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity. “If it wasn’t clear before that Trump is acting at the behest of the oil industry, it certainly is now.”
Keystone XL would stretch across hundreds of miles and carry up to 35 million gallons of oil every day from Canada’s tar sands — one of the dirtiest energy sources in the world — to refineries in Texas. Most of it would be exported.
nwdiver
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The issue is that they're not addressing the real problems. They think they need to 'bring manufacturing back to the US'.
US MANUFACTURING OUTPUT IS HIGHER THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN!!!
Automation is the real cause of job loss. Not trade or immigration... but that doesn't fit their narrative.
The only real solutions are more social programs or outlawing automation... but that doesn't fit their narrative.
'Alternative Facts' are funny... until you try to use them to craft policy... then it's just stupid and tragic.
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hockeythug
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There appears to be an effort to muzzle science, and propagate 'alternative' facts. I'm all for reduction in regulation and smaller government, but science is core... and needed to stay ahead among nations, and science happens by sharing and advancing each others' work. Attempting to muzzle science and press? Yikes!! Kill climate change regulations, we can reinstitute or fight by state. But muzzle science??? Shoot yourself in the foot. Join ISIS in the cave they so desperately want to return to.
I'm actually cool with Rex too. But exactly what does this have to do with this thread topic?
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