AndrewTX
Member
Well, I hope you don't ever get into an accident or cause someone else to do so due to inattention while driving.
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Well, I hope you don't ever get into an accident or cause someone else to do so due to inattention while driving.
Does anybody know how many cameras are activated? Doesn't seem like side camera's are (no images of cars in adjacent lanes).
Tried, (and filmed), 17.17.4 back to back with 17.11.10 on the same twisting local road this evening. In my opinion no difference in performance or the need to pay attention. In some instances 17.17.4 would seem more cautious and alarm me to intervene where previous version would keep on going. Lane markers seem more stable, but car still drifts. Big problem is that it still drifts to the outside in turns as in old version. Not impressed with local road performance.
I disagree. With sufficient practice the human brain relegates many activities to a near-subconscious level. Performance in this state is enhanced, not degraded. Psychologists call this altered state "flow". See a full description here:
Flow (psychology) - Wikipedia
Ask anyone with a regular commute if they've ever arrived at home or office without a clear memory of how they got there. That's the kind of non-thinking that @oktane was referring to, and it doesn't interfere with the ability to react to emergencies.
I had a limited test drive. Autosteer works on local roads above 35, but for me it was much scarier than on highways (but that's me. Still in a learning curve with AP). Didn't trust it to take a very tight curve, mainly because of traffic. Mine would not change lanes on local roads. It has been able to on highways since increase to over 55. Very exciting update. Now I want it to recognize stop signs and lights. And maybe pedestrians.
My MX100D (AP2) with 17.17.4 went into the service center today. They lent me a MS75P (AP1). This is the first AP1 car I have driven.
Woah! What a difference. The Autopilot on AP1 is massively smoother. My girlfriend just kept talking about how much better and smoother it is. How much more calm and confident she felt as a passenger. It handled just about any situation on highways like a champ. Merging traffic, lane changes, overpasses, signs, etc.
I can see why people on these forums talk about AP1/AP2 parity with such conviction. AP1 is so much better by a long shot. Though, I feel that Tesla can get us there and soon.
Woah! What a difference. The Autopilot on AP1 is massively smoother. My girlfriend just kept talking about how much better and smoother it is. How much more calm and confident she felt as a passenger. It handled just about any situation on highways like a champ. Merging traffic, lane changes, overpasses, signs, etc.
I can see why people on these forums talk about AP1/AP2 parity with such conviction. AP1 is so much better by a long shot. Though, I feel that Tesla can get us there and soon.
Hey, I'm 70. 2016 AP2. I find all this fun, exciting, scary. A very new learning experience for me and my new child (MS). But most folks here 70(+) don't want a self driving car because they are 'above average' drivers, according to them..
My car on 17.17.4 actually hugs more to the left lane edge. Works great in far left carpool lanes. It eventually corrects to center but sometimes when engaging AP in the far left lane it just drives per the far left lane marking for several seconds before returning to center.
I think these things may have something to do with steering alignment.
As a 77 year old I resent your assumptions about us. We may not have your reflexes, but most of us know how to compensate. Plenty of younger drivers are lousy at it, but I don't lump all of you together. By the way State Farm gives me the same rate on an Elantra or a Tesla or a Corvette. And that is their lowest rate. No accidents since before you were born. Not a snark, just a fact.
Joe F
Disruption is hard.
Let's not get too deeply into age discrimination here. Threads get penalized 
That said, 66 here and nothing about a Tesla is difficult. While I understand the views some have expressed RE tech in general being daunting to someone of a certain age, I see it often, but some of us have a deep understanding of all things tech as some of us designed most of what you merely use today. You're welcome.
Now if I can only find a way to impart our life's experience into young minds willing enough to accept the fact that there might be a chance they don't know everything, nah, who am I kidding. You'll understand, eventually.
That said, 66 here and nothing about a Tesla is difficult. While I understand the views some have expressed RE tech in general being daunting to someone of a certain age, I see it often, but some of us have a deep understanding of all things tech as some of us designed most of what you merely use today. You're welcome.
Now if I can only find a way to impart our life's experience into young minds willing enough to accept the fact that there might be a chance they don't know everything, nah, who am I kidding. You'll understand, eventually.
Retired
Member
Well, I'm 74 and find the Tesla easy to use. I don't multitask like I used to but that results in paying more strict attention to driving. AP2 is pretty good in that not having to keep in the center of the lane manually, I can concentrate on the other aspects of driving like what that idiot in the next lane is going to do and be prepared to take evasive action.
No accidents or tickets in over 50 years. Traded my 6sp V8 M3 for the Tesla.. Haven't looked back.
No accidents or tickets in over 50 years. Traded my 6sp V8 M3 for the Tesla.. Haven't looked back.
I hear you. My town runs a lecture program in which residents of the community talk about their fields of expertise. I was sitting behind two teenage boys who had been dragged by their parents to a talk on the World Wide Web. They were complaining to each other about how ridiculous it is that some old guy - Tim Berners-Lee was his name - could think he knows anything about the Web.
Enough said....the OT police are closing in...
Joe F
Disruption is hard.
Archie, Gopher, Veronica, Jughead... Ah, the good old days
And don't get me started on that upstart, Marc Andreessen and his newfangled Mosaic!
And don't get me started on that upstart, Marc Andreessen and his newfangled Mosaic!
cruiserlarry
Gadgetologist
My experience so tar, is that my car hugs the left side when in an HOV lane with a tall median, virtually hitting it until it disengages - yet it seems to hug the right side of a lane when there's traffic to the right - almost like it has an affinity to be close to a solid object all the time if possible.
I also notice the IC display seems to show the car centered when it seems to me the vehicle is hugging closer to one side or the other. In fact, the ultrasonics will show yellow while the AP tries to maintain its position, instead of using that sensor info to help correct the vehicle's position in the lane. Just seems like they are not yet integrating all the information they are getting, and each sensor system is running independent of each other - leaving the AP working poorly most of the time.
I hope the software engineers spend some time behind the wheel in addition to behind the keyboard, as I don't think simulations catch many of the common issues found in real-time driving.
I also notice the IC display seems to show the car centered when it seems to me the vehicle is hugging closer to one side or the other. In fact, the ultrasonics will show yellow while the AP tries to maintain its position, instead of using that sensor info to help correct the vehicle's position in the lane. Just seems like they are not yet integrating all the information they are getting, and each sensor system is running independent of each other - leaving the AP working poorly most of the time.
I hope the software engineers spend some time behind the wheel in addition to behind the keyboard, as I don't think simulations catch many of the common issues found in real-time driving.
NerdUno
Member
Agree 100%. Charleston has the I-26 interstate near town that winds through a half dozen gentle curves. 17.11.10 flunked all of them. 17.17.4 flunks all but one. So I guess it's an improvement, but not by much on our #1 test highway. It's certainly not "learning" the road. We've driven it almost every day this year. Relaxation of the 35 mph restriction on local roads is a welcome addition. We have numerous major (straight) thoroughfares that are well marked with speeds in the 45 mph to 50 mph range. 17.17.4 does great on those.
I've never seen any evidence that our individual vehicles currently learn from experience and adapt their behavior accordingly within a specific software version. I don't even know that Tesla has made that claim, except as speculation about some future capability. Like driving unattended from LA to NY, which has always been, and will always be, two years away.
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