$17K vs $21K ?

[NV Ray]

Tesla new replacement pack question for 2012-15 MS85s ---- difference between $21k USD (part # 1101078-00-A) and $17k (part# 1014116-00-C) ?

 

[vcor]

$4,000. Are these quotes for the identical car at the same location?

 

[jjrandorin]

$4,000. Are these quotes for the identical car at the same location?

'Just a guess, but based on who is posting the question, I suspect that these are separate cars, in separate locations, that people have posted to the OPs facebook group.

I dont know anything about the difference in part number, but unless they are from the same vehicle (or at a minimum the exact same model year vehicle that started with the same size battery), it would be difficult to even guess the difference.

 

[NV Ray]

$4,000. Are these quotes for the identical car at the same location?

yes, identical MS85s. One from SoCal, the other NorCal.

 

[brainhouston]

'Just a guess, but based on who is posting the question, I suspect that these are separate cars, in separate locations, that people have posted to the OPs facebook group.

I dont know anything about the difference in part number, but unless they are from the same vehicle (or at a minimum the exact same model year vehicle that started with the same size battery), it would be difficult to even guess the difference.

not sure why u so concerned about same or separate cars
we've seen 1014116-00-C being installed on multiple diff cars in diff locations
the thread is more about why 2 diff numbers with 2 diff prices while the wording is exactly the same on invoice

and Ray just confirmed it is for identical car in same state..

 

[NV Ray]

To add an additional layer of context. My OP reflects two different Tesla Service Center estimates to replace packs due to BMS_u029 alert. Identical 2013 MS85s. One in SoCal ($17k), the other in NorCal ($21k).

Why would one owner be presented with $4k higher price tag than the majority of other owners (myself included) to resolve the same issue? Only Tesla explaination to NorCal owner is "that is what pops up when we put the VIN in the computer." NorCal owner continues to confront his TSC on the price difference with no luck, so far.

Pic is my before and after pack label reflecting $17k part number solution option.

 

[ucmndd]

This is the first time I’ve ever seen a HV core charge on an estimate… shows what they’re really charging for these replacements quite well. $31k…

 

[NV Ray]

This is the first time I’ve ever seen a HV core charge on an estimate… shows what they’re really charging for these replacements quite well. $31k…

Good eye. That $10k core charge quote is an exception. As you know, Tesla never provides that option. In this case owner insisted thinking he might want to keep his old pack.

 

[vcor]

As these are different cars, it could be the quality of the battery pack. Even from the same year, a lot of changes were taking place. So it could be the core charge being the difference? It also could be the mileage. For example, 2013 car 1 has 200,000 miles on it, so the core charge could be less (making the replacement higher) than the 2013 car 2 which has 100,000 miles.

 

[maximizese]

As these are different cars, it could be the quality of the battery pack. Even from the same year, a lot of changes were taking place. So it could be the core charge being the difference? It also could be the mileage. For example, 2013 car 1 has 200,000 miles on it, so the core charge could be less (making the replacement higher) than the 2013 car 2 which has 100,000 miles.

Not sure if the part numbers are priced differently for 2 different packs or if there are some other components necessary for one car that the other car does not need to make the new battery work. I remember playing around with 057tech.com's 100kWh pack upgrade. Using the VIN for my 11/13 built S85 was ~$1,500 less than the VIN for a newer S75D. Not sure if this is because the 75 pack is less valuable or if there are more components to change to make the 100kWh pack work.

Hope we get an answer on this; definitely don't want folks paying an extra $4K if they need not.

 

[Puma X90]

Hello

I'm still new here. I just bought a used April 2017 Model X 90D. Comes with 1101078-00-A battery. Please write to me if you have this battery in your car, because there is only a 5x4.2V battery in the 16th battery unit. Max charging voltage is 399V, not the usual 403V. Please help me. I can't find any information about the 1101078-00-A battery. Is this battery the car's factory battery or has Tesla already replaced it? According to bms, it contains 813 cycles, which is correct for the car's 168,000 km distance.
The car's maximum range is 345 km, which I feel is insufficient.
Thanks for the reply.

 

[Zuikkis]

Hello

I'm still new here. I just bought a used April 2017 Model X 90D. Comes with 1101078-00-A battery. Please write to me if you have this battery in your car, because there is only a 5x4.2V battery in the 16th battery unit. Max charging voltage is 399V, not the usual 403V. Please help me. I can't find any information about the 1101078-00-A battery. Is this battery the car's factory battery or has Tesla already replaced it? According to bms, it contains 813 cycles, which is correct for the car's 168,000 km distance.
The car's maximum range is 345 km, which I feel is insufficient.
Thanks for the reply.

That's really interesting!

I think 1101078-00-A is quite new code. Google finds only recent posts where it is mentioned. I assume your battery has been changed recently.

It's interesting if it really only has 5x4.2V in the 16th module! Maybe Tesla has found a new way to re-manufacture old 90kWh batteries that have just a few failed cells?

I think 345km is not that bad for a 90, though.

 

[islandbayy]

Hello

I'm still new here. I just bought a used April 2017 Model X 90D. Comes with 1101078-00-A battery. Please write to me if you have this battery in your car, because there is only a 5x4.2V battery in the 16th battery unit. Max charging voltage is 399V, not the usual 403V. Please help me. I can't find any information about the 1101078-00-A battery. Is this battery the car's factory battery or has Tesla already replaced it? According to bms, it contains 813 cycles, which is correct for the car's 168,000 km distance.
The car's maximum range is 345 km, which I feel is insufficient.
Thanks for the reply.

Can you post some more solid data such as screenshots from TM-SPY?

 

[islandbayy]

That's really interesting!

I think 1101078-00-A is quite new code. Google finds only recent posts where it is mentioned. I assume your battery has been changed recently.

It's interesting if it really only has 5x4.2V in the 16th module! Maybe Tesla has found a new way to re-manufacture old 90kWh batteries that have just a few failed cells?

I think 345km is not that bad for a 90, though.

345km is very bad for a 90. Even my craptastic 90 pack holds 390km at nearly 320,000 Km on it.

 

[brainhouston]

Can you post some more solid data such as screenshots from TM-SPY?

and pack label..
fyi, this number doesn't show up in epc...

 

[Puma X90]

A 345 km nagyon rossz egy 90-esnek. Még az én szar 90-es csomagom is 390 km-t bír közel 320 000 km-rel.

Ez nagyon érdekes!

Azt hiszem, a 1101078-00-A teljesen új kód. A Google csak a legutóbbi bejegyzéseket találja, ahol megemlítik. Feltételezem, hogy az akkumulátort nemrégiben cserélték.

Érdekes, ha tényleg csak 5x4.2V van a 16. modulban! Talán a Tesla új módszert talált a régi 90 kWh-s akkumulátorok újragyártására, amelyek csak néhány meghibásodott cellával rendelkeznek?

Szerintem a 345 km nem olyan rossz egy 90-esnek.

Képeket küldök. Tegnap -1% -ra ürítettem, és nem volt probléma. Azt hiszem, 345 km nem elég?! 73,2 KWh nem elég?!
Köszönöm a választ!

 

[Zuikkis]

345km is very bad for a 90. Even my craptastic 90 pack holds 390km at nearly 320,000 Km on it.

It was Model X... I seriously doubt it has hold 390km even when new?

The above screenshot shows 73.2kWh nominal.. while it's not great it's not exceptionally low.

 

[Puma X90]

Model X volt... Komolyan kétlem, hogy 390 km-t bírt volna el, még akkor is, ha új?

A fenti képernyőképen 73,2 kWh névleges érték látható. Bár nem nagyszerű, nem kivételesen alacsony.

Itt most -2 Celsius-fok van. Változik-e a 345 km-es hőség nyáron? A régi P85 Model S télen és nyáron egyaránt 365 km-t tett meg.

 

[brainhouston]

are u set to correct model/software version in SMT?
some of those numbers don't make sense..
270V?..
Max discharge < max charge..
182mV imbalance??

Also when did u take screenshots? has to be when car is idle.
Driving data is not precise...

Thanks for the label, ur one of the 1st ones to confirm physically this battery exists...

 

[islandbayy]

It was Model X... I seriously doubt it has hold 390km even when new?

The above screenshot shows 73.2kWh nominal.. while it's not great it's not exceptionally low.

Ahh, missed that somehow (This is the Model S forum section). Yes, I have Model S 90D.

73.2kWh nominal isn't too bad. Higher than the capacity on my Model S 90D, which is about 70.2kWh