golfnut
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Without looking I should have known it was filed here in CA. Welcome to America's most litigious state!
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Bottom line:
If the driver started skidding, he could have applied a little accelerator pressure to stop the braking effect, just as a driver in a normal car could stop pressing on the brake.
If the car starts to slide and is headed for a crash you are supposed to respond by stepping on the accelerator just a little bit?
Can all of you "above average" drivers manage that?
He has the right to bring the case.I do not consider myself anything but an average driver.
Question: based on your two posts on this subject do you believe his suit has merit? Including the damages he is asking to receive?
He has the right to bring the case.
The judge can decide if it has merit.
My opinion is that it if the Tesla does cause the back wheels to lose traction by lifting off the accelerator, and if it does that more aggressively than other cars do then it may cause accidents.
Having the regen work only some of the time according to the state of the battery might increase the risk.
Placing the blame for almost every Tesla crash upon driver stupidity seems .................... stupid
The large amount he asks as compensation just smacks of 'hubris' ;) IMO said:Billion dollar amount for that one driver would be ridiculous but it's a class action...might need to share the payout?
"The lawsuit alleges the regenerative braking systems used in both the Model S and Model X create a risk for the vehicles to lose control in snowy conditions because the systems make the vehicles unable to coast. According to the plaintiffs, a driver is put in danger of losing control on icy roads due to the mandatory braking the vehicle imposes on the driver.
Drivers know that sharp, sudden and excessive braking or downshifting isn't a good idea on icy or snowy roads because braking can cause vehicles to shift their weight and become unbalanced. But according to the plaintiffs, Tesla has known since 2007 that the regenerative braking systems create that very danger.
In 2007, Tesla posted a message on its website that said, in part, the automaker had “developed and verified [a] safety feature” called “regen control” to limit the regenerative braking if the vehicle’s rear wheels start to slip. But according to the lawsuit, it's been 10 years and the Tesla vehicles still suffer from losing stability when the regenerative braking is engaged in snow or ice.
The Wiseman's also say the braking system has limitations, including not functioning when the vehicle’s battery is too full.
The plaintiffs say they wouldn't have bought the SUV if Tesla would have told them the regenerative braking system was allegedly defective and dangerous."
Seems like there may be a few others joining the claim.
Concern with Regenerative breaking on icy roads
Submitted by aarnold on March 2, 2016
Tesla needs to do an update to the Regenerative breaking and they need to do it now. The only option is to set it to normal or low. There needs to be an off option. If the road is icy or snowy, and you let off the accelerator to slow down or "reach" for the brake, the back wheels lock up (just like we used to do with the e-brake to lock up the wheels for fun) and cause the rear end to get loose and out of control. It is very unsafe and will cause an accident...I had to continue to put the car in neutral every time I was on I95 in VA during the 1 inch snow we had last month. It was a nightmare!!!! If there was an off option, I would have felt safe. I told my wife, she can never drive the car in snow. Not good at all...
Phaster | March 3, 2016
For the record, aarnold, I have new 19" snow tires. Although I would hardly ever use it, I don't see any reason not to give owners an "off" option. The regen already automatically turns off completely in more extreme cold. The car is already capable of this option. Sounds like an easy software change. But until you get used to it, the lack of rolling resistance is quite surprising and may be just as dangerous if you brake too late.
He has the right to bring the case.
The judge can decide if it has merit.
My opinion is that it if the Tesla does cause the back wheels to lose traction by lifting off the accelerator, and if it does that more aggressively than other cars do then it may cause accidents.
Having the regen work only some of the time according to the state of the battery might increase the risk.
Placing the blame for almost every Tesla crash upon driver stupidity seems .................... stupid
My opinion is that it if the Tesla does cause the back wheels to lose traction by lifting off the accelerator, and if it does that more aggressively than other cars do then it may cause accidents.
Having the regen work only some of the time according to the state of the battery might increase the risk.
And yet... what are the odds? Betting against the driver first will get you more money, IMHO, than against ANY car manufacturer (I'm not talking legal suits, just talking relative probability on causes of accidents). Let's quote Albert Einstein: "Only two things are infinite: the universe, and human stupidity... and I'm not sure about the former."Placing the blame for almost every Tesla crash upon driver stupidity seems .................... stupid
Oh, just thought of another analogy the class action could go after: trailer brakes on trucks. No one stops you from using in slippery conditions and that isn't even mitigated by traction control
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You misunderstood... perhaps deliberately, I can't tell. I thought it was obvious I was talking about your straw man that Tesla had more regen braking force than any other car. Not specifically doing that on ice."And how will you measure a Tesla against an ICE at high rev's in second gear?"
You would have to be a very silly driver to be doing that in icy conditions.
Just driving a Tesla normally seems to create difficulties according to some drivers Regenerative Braking Safety Issue