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[UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied
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EVNow
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There are two different reports on this.
- Neither of them are the owners
- Owner took his friend for a drive (seems more credible since it states the person is one of the men's brother-in-law and describes the owner back up the car)
So, try this one on: passenger in front passenger seat. Driver buckles seat belt; sits in front seat, pre-sets TACC for high speed but does not engage it; starts car; exits car; gets in back seat; and reaches over the front seat and clicks the TACC/Autopilot stalk which resumes TACC at the high speed setting but the autopilot does not engage because there are no lane lines. This sounds right to me, and if it is correct, this guy probably did this on roadways with lane lines previously, in which case the brother in law knows about it. It also explains that Tesla is trying to figure out how to explain it. Talk me down...J
Strange. According to that article, the location was:
That's a dead-end in a residential area full of mega-mansions.
I'm a little befuddled how a Model S using FSD could even be driving at a "high rate of speed" on what appears to be an unlined residential street, that has to be posted 25mph. If you were driving out, could you even set up the car, and climb out of the front seat in time in that short distance at a high rate of speed?
That's a dead-end in a residential area full of mega-mansions.
I'm a little befuddled how a Model S using FSD could even be driving at a "high rate of speed" on what appears to be an unlined residential street, that has to be posted 25mph. If you were driving out, could you even set up the car, and climb out of the front seat in time in that short distance at a high rate of speed?
EVNow
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Why ? Suicide pact ? Trying to kill his friend because he got angry with him ?
Everyone talking about some kind of hack - need to provide a motive. These are not 2 kids trying to gain their 5 minutes of youtube celebrity.
Apparently there was some kind of party/dinner at the house. If there were arguments etc. people would know and talk. Or was the owner too dumb to not know AP doesn't work in his own street ? I bet every one of us have tried to set AP in our residential street only to be disappointed.
CyberGus
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During the development of the original Macintosh computer, Steve Jobs insisted that it should have no expansion slots. The engineers attempted to thwart Steve's directive with a motherboard "diagnostic port".
I'm thinking that the Tesla engineers wanted a driver-monitoring camera, and convinced Mr. "Best Part is No Part" by selling it as a "RoboTaxi Cam".
RedWhite19
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I haven’t read through 11 pages but why not just some type of weight detectors that could tell if nobody is behind the wheel, the car will pull over to the side of the road?
If neither passenger was the owner, it increases the likelihood that the driver may have exited the vehicle either to get help or flee the scene (might have had some drinks). That explanation would seem to follow Occam's Razor. It certainly makes more sense than two older guys deciding to pack weights on the seat and steering wheel and enter the back seat. I'm trying to imagine a 60 year old telling a 70 year old "Hey, let's go make a Tik Tok of us sitting in the back seat while the car drives" and the 70 year old replying "Cool, bro". 
Mike
Mike
CyberGus
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It’s time to notice Tesla’s Autopilot death toll
Tesla's self-driving "Autopilot" system is a death wish for drivers who don't understand how it works.
Well, that didn't take long.
Well first off it would depend not on statistics solely because every accident situation has too many variables. We’ve seen some horrible accidents, even wrong way driver on highway at highway speeds striking a Tesla and the Tesla driver got out and walked away. In your example just because a Volvo XC90 had no deaths isn’t really that informative if the accident and injuries weren’t comparitive to the MXs, which is what the testing agencies try to level the field on.
I wondered about that too but also wondered why it looks like the braking stopped after a short distance. Maybe ABS figuring out the traction on grass and it was still trying to brake but ABS had controlled the slipping after a short distance?
Mike
Don’t recall what was retrieved from the recording system on the tragic Model X Mt. View Calif 101 accident with the attenuated barrier a few years back but believe they were able to pull the equipment. If someone knows what happened there, that was also a battery fire situation.
Nope. You have to be moving at least 18 mph to engage TACC with no vehicle in front of you. So, grandpa buckled his belt behind him, got the car up to 18 mph, engaged TACC, then climbed over into another seat while the car was moving but it doesn't steer, mind you. Or there was a car in front of them. TACC engaged, but the lead car pulled into a driveway so WHOOSH 90 mph? Nope. It will only allow 5 over the posted limit which was probably 25 - 30 mph.
Needsdecaf
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I am kind of with the 3rd person involved theory. I mean, if this was a BMW involved in a fatal fiery neighborhood crash with what appeared to be no one in the driver's seat, there would be an immediate hunt for the person who left the scene. But Tesla = self driving to the general public, so the first assumption is "car must have been self driving, no reason to look for anyone else?"
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