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Dennisj00
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I may be naive, but I think the main item missing in AI machines is mobility and adapting to the external forces in the world. Just because a ‘Watson’ is a million times smarter than any human, what gives him the capability to crawl out of the box (much like the early marine animals crawling ashore) and create the mobility to take over?
I can see the ‘I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that’ but I just don’t see Hal creating a mobile force.
I can see the ‘I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that’ but I just don’t see Hal creating a mobile force.
Agreed, but the thing is the situations are easy to artificially create and then train the model as long as you want until it gets it right.
For example the " construction site " problem, it's very easy to artificially create and then train the program to understand it.
I mean it's very hard to solve the issue, but it's fairly easy to set the right conditions.
At least since the Greeks many have believed the Gods created us for their own amusement. If the AI seeks godlike intelligence, mutatus mutandis, we should be all right, at least as gladiators, actors, or politicians. But then I repeat myself.
The Buddhas, Messiahs, Muhammads, Moseses, the avatars of Hinduism, and others too numerous to recall, are just tragic early examples of general superhuman intelligence.
Five different ways to make it happen.
1. The super smart machines should be able to convince and instruct some people to do certain things, and these guys will believe they are doing the right things for the benefit of humanity. Before they realize it, they have created dozens of moving and killing super robots.
2. More likely, as we typing, engineers are actively working to create moving super AIs. Have you seen those jumping and flying robots on Youtube? I don't think those guys will hesitate to add super AI brains to them, it should be super fun.
3. Nations are developing super intelligent killer robots. I can't blame them. If they don't do it, their enemies will have the robots first and attack.
4. Companies would love to build intelligent robots so they can work in the automated factories without human intervention.
5. Evil scientists/engineers build super robots so they can become the king of the world.
What can stop these from happening?
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dc_h
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Anyone have an update on the tax code and the ev credit?
There is both up and downside to it being gone. It would impact margins, or demand, but for model 3 may not be relevant, since they are likely sold out for a year regardless of tax. Seems like foreign sales are also picking up, so USA tax less critical.
There is both up and downside to it being gone. It would impact margins, or demand, but for model 3 may not be relevant, since they are likely sold out for a year regardless of tax. Seems like foreign sales are also picking up, so USA tax less critical.
Evil electrons working to build an anti-AI which will lead to the great electron fight. Instead of a war of words, like this thread has become, it will be the first electron wars which someone like Asimov may have chronicled. If my earlier expectation is correct, I can imagine some TV program emerging like the WWF.
Further, since a true solipsist can never be refuted, why wouldn't the general AI conclude that the external reality is just an hallucination which can only be stabilized short of madness with the caveat, it must be socially acceptable. Verification is the key, as the weatherman once said on Alaskan radio, "I'll take a leak outside to see if its freezing."
Edit: But we digress. There's a thread for this where people lurk who really know what they're talking about because they are doing AI. Some may be here, elifino.
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Thumper
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ZsoZso wrote "When humanity was at a more primitive, lower level of intelligence, we had slavery, genocide. Most of us have risen in intelligence to the level so that we do not go around willingly exterminating other species." It may not be entirely "willing" but we are all in the process of a great extinction of many many species.
RobStark
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Collins considers changing vote on tax bill over amendments
Renewable Energy Is Surging. The GOP Tax Bill Could Curtail That.
"Senator Dean Heller, Republican of Nevada, has said he will work to oppose the House's repeal of the credit."
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If the Republican leadership loses these two votes then the entire tax bill goes down.
I guess I don't need to answer. Governments and companies are working hard to achieve them now. Except the first case.
dc_h
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Did you catch our last election? Perhaps AI has already won.
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JRP3
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A more appropriate place for AI discussion is here, (there may be others) Are you with Musk or Hawking on AI
But what most people seem to be missing is the likelihood that AI won't see us as a threat at all, it might not see us as anything worth considering. In that case we would be no more than barely noticeable obstacles in the way of it's goals. Do we consider the bugs in the ground before we start building a house?
But what most people seem to be missing is the likelihood that AI won't see us as a threat at all, it might not see us as anything worth considering. In that case we would be no more than barely noticeable obstacles in the way of it's goals. Do we consider the bugs in the ground before we start building a house?
skitown
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I think it's important to note that there need be no malice or ill intent by the AI to wipe us out. Think about the Y2K bug as a teeny, tiny taste. I've worked with enough software teams to know what we are human and make programming mistakes. The directive/program could be totally benign, but with broad/general AI executing it - it could be done at horrific expense to anything in the way of its orders. And crazy fast. Let the mind run wild. This article series is great by the way: The Artificial Intelligence Revolution: Part 1 - Wait But Why
But you do go through and exterminate them after you finish building the house.
Or at least you should, unless you like bugs in your house....
Reciprocity
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Nothing new, they are in conference now between the Senate and House. I have heard nothing on the tax credit, but the Senate should win in conference because of the difficulties getting the 50 votes and the Senate keeps the credits. That doesn't mean it won't get nuked in conference. Probably won't know until late next week or the next.
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