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Also, and I've said this before quoting a dear ultra-conservative Catholic friend who believed "Christ was the first Communist," this scholarly vindication.
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I'm not super conservative and I agree with your friend, Jesus was definitely a communist are at least some kind of socialist, I mean long hair, free love, sandals come on
 
Exterior: awesome
Interior: what’s with that?

In a nutshell:
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I still prefer stock, as in no change to the exterior, over any modified version in any car. I wouldn’t even modify the rims, other than upgrading it to a 21 stock Tesla...Maybe because I’m getting older, but I know the younger generations will go gaga over these sorts of things.
 
Ok. I find it very tiring reading posts that are full of no-research statements of alternatives, total inaccuracies, and outright misrepresentation. To be really clear, about 80% of your posts hit one, two, or all three. So, I'll start.

I agree. This is why so many bears tend to annoy. There’s no research, depth of knowledge or any form of intellectual stimulation that could be contributed to the conversation. I suggest bears to start their own forum at TMC, and really dig into thoughtful research, otherwise you’ll just strengthen the long position by spilling FUD. Arguements that appear “off” just makes investors like myself want to buy even more shares. FUD May work on seeking alpha, but members here have more knowledge in their pinky than most bears on this forum will ever care to have. You’re really wasting your time by bringing forward weak arguements.
 
I still prefer stock, as in no change to the exterior, over any modified version in any car. I wouldn’t even modify the rims, other than upgrading it to a 21 stock Tesla...Maybe because I’m getting older, but I know the younger generations will go gaga over these sorts of things.

Shortly after Karl Benz produced his first Motorwagen in1886 men started modifying cars. It has nothing in particular to do with younger generations.

1930 Ford Model A.

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And as far as the modified Tesla goes lots of German sports cars have come in silver with red interiors.
 
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I'm not super conservative and I agree with your friend, Jesus was definitely a communist are at least some kind of socialist, I mean long hair, free love, sandals come on

" Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and give unto God what is God's"

Jesus was not a totalitarian.

Jesus never condoned the State taking by force from those that have a lot to redistribute to those that have a little. He implored those that have a lot to care for the poor from their own free volition.

And Jesus did not condone any sex people wanted to have as long as it was between conscenting adults.
 
Shortly after Karl Benz produced his first Motorwagen in1886 men started modifying cars. It has nothing in particular to do with younger generations.

1930 Ford Model A.

1930_ford__model_a__hot_rod__street_rod__all_steel_1_lgw.jpg


And as far as the modified Tesla goes lots of German sports cars have come in silver with red interiors.

And how many modified cars do we see on the roads today? The vast majority prefers stock. The evidence is right before our eyes. Nothing against red interiors if that is someone’s choice, the vast majority still prefers black, grey, or tan interiors.
 
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Please bet everything you have against Tesla and leave us to our delusions.

Funny how people think I am a noob in trading.

"Please bet everything you have against Tesla "
Only for this month. sentiment continues to be poor during this month. The market will continue to punish Tesla/EM for deceiving the public or not keeping his promise.
Tesla Semi event won't help stocks.. It is a distraction.

For dec, it could be the turning point (50% bullish). In jan, I estimated 70-80% bullish.

You can shake my hands on this one..
 
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And how many modified cars do we see on the roads today? The vast majority prefers stock. The evidence is right before our eyes. Nothing against red interiors if that is someone’s choice, the vast majority still prefers black, grey, or tan interiors.

Most people do prefer stock.

Because people do not want to spend the money to modify. I don't

McDonald's sells many more burgers than Ruth's Chris.

But if you give me a choice between a Big Mac and a Ruth's Chris bacon cheeseburger for the same price it is an easy choice.
 
" Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and give unto God what is God's".

It was always a mystery to me why the conservatives are so pro capitalism, capitalism is the archenemy of conservatism, the young Marx said it nicely:

The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part. The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his natural superiors, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous cash payment.
It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.
The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honored and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.
The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.
The bourgeoisie has disclosed how it came to pass that the brutal display of vigour in the Middle Ages, which reactionaries so much admire, found its fitting complement in the most slothful indolence. It has been the first to show what man's activity can bring about. It has accomplished wonders far surpassing Egyptian pyramids, Roman aqueducts, and Gothic cathedrals; it has conducted expeditions that put in the shade all former Exoduses of nations and crusades.
 
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This forum desperately needs the option to Ignore posts that are responses, and quote people you have on ignore! At least they could be highlighted in some way so you could skip over them quickly.

At least those people are discussing Tesla and TSLA. Gets old opening this thread to find discussions on politics, religion, hats, marriage, racism, etc. This thread is 1549 pages for me. I wonder what it would be if every post not about Tesla or the stock were deleted?
 
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It was always a mystery to me why the conservatives are so pro capitalism, capitalism is the archenemy of conservatism, the young Marx said it nicely:

The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part. The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his natural superiors, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous cash payment.
It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.
The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honored and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.
The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.
The bourgeoisie has disclosed how it came to pass that the brutal display of vigour in the Middle Ages, which reactionaries so much admire, found its fitting complement in the most slothful indolence. It has been the first to show what man's activity can bring about. It has accomplished wonders far surpassing Egyptian pyramids, Roman aqueducts, and Gothic cathedrals; it has conducted expeditions that put in the shade all former Exoduses of nations and crusades.

You are an Italian.

I am an American. From a revolutionary republic. All Americans reject monarchy, feudalism, and the ancien régime.

Capitalism and democracy in the same country is a tough balance. That is why so few manage to achieve it and have a free rich country.

American conservatives are European liberals.

The current occupant of the White House is neither. He is a blood and soil European type populist/conservative.
 
At least those people are discussing Tesla and TSLA. Gets old opening this thread to find discussions on politics, religion, hats, marriage, racism, etc. This thread is 1549 pages for me. I wonder what it would be if every post not about Tesla or the stock were deleted?

I agreed. 99.99% comments are useless. The biggest and most important question of ALL time is if the stock goes up or goes down?? Everyone don't want to work and just live off Tesla's success... early retirement is everyone's dreams. haha (to put it bluntly)
 
Most people do prefer stock.

Because people do not want to spend the money to modify. I don't

McDonald's sells many more burgers than Ruth's Chris.

But if you give me a choice between a Big Mac and a Ruth's Chris bacon cheeseburger for the same price it is an easy choice.

There’s boatloads of people with money that choose not to modify. Tons of Mercedes, BMW Tesla drivers just choose to drive their stock instead of modifying their car because it looks ghetto fabulous.

Something like that just won’t look good on me or the average Joe, although I agree with your steaks over McDonalds comment, but it’s clearly not the same thing.
 
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You are an Italian.

I am an American. From a revolutionary republic. All Americans reject monarchy, feudalism, and the ancien régime.

Capitalism and democracy in the same country is a tough balance. That is why so few manage to achieve it and have a free rich country.

American conservatives are European liberals.

The current occupant of the White House is neither. He is a blood and soil European type populist/conservative.

Well I'm not Italian, but I probably shouldn't say that I have no intention to participate in your nationalistic dick measurements, but yeah the U.S probably has the bigger LOL
 
What you say about Tesla's happy campers helps to explain why early on the company liked to hire veterans. If you survive our military service these days you are much, much more likely to tolerate more stress and effort than the unwashed masses like myself. My stress has always been self-induced as opposed to the external sources.

I'm not generally a fan of people, but there are still some hardworking, resilient, intelligent, team players walking the planet. Thankfully.
 
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Then it is called bait and switch. He announced to the whole world during the M3 event that the base model cost 35K, BUT then you saying Tesla decides not to produce the base model. EM shouldnt be announcing it in the first place if Tesla doesnt plan on producing it.

Okay, I'm going to try real hard to remain within forum rules when I'd really like to break them by several magnitude.

There is no bait and switch. The 35k base model will be offered in 2018 for people to purchase. In this moment, right this very second, the car is only available for employees of Tesla, SpaceX and Solar City for purchase and they either must take the long range battery with PUP or defer their order.

In my previous post, I have already said only way Tesla doesn't lose money on M3 is if customers buy the extra features and options.

:rolleyes:

If you're going to spout such nonsense, you will never be taken seriously on this forum. Ever.
 
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