Moderation content inc -- somewhat long.
TL ; DR - Personal attacks are not allowed, even if contained with more useful content. play nice
(further, more specific thoughts below)
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Ok, Now that we have had a bit of a "cooling off" period of about 12 hours or so, I am going to unlock this thread. Before I do, I wanted to post a few thoughts / reminders here.
Very few things rile up a tesla user base more than discussions "about the battery". I realize this is a passionate topic (very passionate) and with 80+ pages its obvious that there is very active discussion happening
I have said this many times at this point, but its not a requirement for everyone to agree on a thread. Disagreement can sometimes bring out great discussion, especially with "data minded" people, some of whom are actively participating in this thread. With that being said, while disagreement is ok, personal attacks are not ok.
"I dont agree with you, here is data to support my position" or "I dont agree with your opinion on this, my opinion is XXXX ... I guess we are going to just have to disagree with each other" --- Perfectly fine.
"I dont know WTF you are smokin, you are an idiot!" or anything of that nature, = not fine.
Also, I will point out that I feel I made a mistake in this thread yesterday, in an effort to be helpful. I received reports of content that someone found objectionable, and looked at the content and the objectionable content was within posts that also had good data. Rather than simply moving the entire post, I edited out objectionable content. This lead to more reports of more content to be edited out of posts.
This was a mistake on my part (simply editing out the content in an effort to keep the useful parts of the post). It basically set me up to piecemeal edit other posts etc, What we normally do when there is content we find objectionable and its reported, is remove the entire post, even if some of it is useful, and I will return to that practice.
As a general warning to all, dont make any objectionable posts / personal attacks, even if they are within posts that contain other useful data as I will likely remove the entire post, if its reported to me and I agree that the content is objectionable. Another note on this, I dont intend to be "weaponized", so if I start receiving a lot of reports on this thread again, I will end up having to take some other action. What that is will depend on the situation.
When a few people are having a "disagreement" in a thread, depending on how that is couched, it can basically force everyone else out of a thread, even if they want to contribute. Please keep that in mind as you are posting, especially on a topic like this that invokes so much passion.
The idea of a thread like this would be to "draw out the data" and have a discussion around that, and hopefully help people come to "some determination" A few people arguing back and forth is not going to do that.
/e climbs off soapbox.
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