Me too! Ordered M3LR on 5th October and collecting from Leicester on 30th November. I chose 11am.
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2021 Shipping Movements
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Hi, Mr. Miserable,
I just found a website that has an update on Lake Fuxian and ETA to Suez is Oct 31 5pm:
LAKE FUXIAN – Vehicles Carrier, IMO 9494905, Flag Liberia
It seems like it does not update its position since 2 days ago, is that normal considering it should already be near the cost?
Thanks
I just found a website that has an update on Lake Fuxian and ETA to Suez is Oct 31 5pm:
LAKE FUXIAN – Vehicles Carrier, IMO 9494905, Flag Liberia
It seems like it does not update its position since 2 days ago, is that normal considering it should already be near the cost?
Thanks
I explained this is my daily report yesterday (and day before).
Both LAKE FUXIAN and LAKE GENEVA have switched off their AIS trasmitters so that their precise position remains unknown. Earlier this year sister ships were subject to attack from Iranian forces and another ship from the same company was subject to a fatal drone attack also by the Iranians.
So company policy is to switch off their AIS transmitters as they approach high risk areas. Expect them to be switched on again when the ships are halfway up the Red Sea.
TALIA is now cruising up the English Channel. She will arrive into Southampton Eastern Docks at 06:30 tomorrow morning but will move across to the Western Docks tomorrow evening (18:30) where she will unload her Teslas. She is due to depart to Zeebrugge at midday on Sunday. I would expect her dock there around midnight on Sunday night.
LAKE FUXIAN She is still keeping her head down (see my post above). She is heading to Zeebrugge but may call at Southampton on the way. We should be able to confirm this once she clears Suez on Monday. I expect her AIS to be switched on again later today or early tomorrow morning.
LAKE GENEVA is also on radio silence. She is heading initially to Koper (6 Nov) and then to Ashdod, Israel (11 Nov).
HELIOS RAY is Southampton bound (and probably Zeebrugge afterwards). She is currently entering the Bay of Bengal and making 16 kts.
VIKING OCEAN is also Southampton bound and should arrive there 24 hrs behind HELIOS RAY. She is 180NM behind HELIOS RAY doing 17.5kts. I haven't done a position chart for her since she is so close behind HELIOS RAY.
NABUCCO left Shanghai yesterday and is due to arrive in Southampton on 27 Nov and Zeebrugge on 29 Nov. She currently heading south through the busy East China Sea at 17.5kts. She is heading initially for Singapore where she will stop for a refuel.
The weather forecast is fine for all the ships at the moment although it may be a little choppy for TALIA at present.
Drammen, Norway received a consignment of cars yesterday which I believe were transported by DON PASQUALE. This ship departed Shanghai in Q3.
Just two ships remaining on the watch list at the moment:
THEMIS due to arrive in Zeebrugge 15 Nov.
GLOVIS CHALLENGE presently in the South China Sea and due to arrive in Suez on 10 Nov. Destination unknown.
Loading in Shanghai at the moment is MORNING CLARA. She will almost certainly be loading Teslas bound for Australia.
UPDATE:
I failed to mention HOEGH KOBE.
She is not a 'Tesla ship' per se but is on a scheduled RoRo service and it is believed to be carrying some Teslas to Zeebrugge. She is roughly between HELIOS RAY and VIKING OCEAN at present and is heading to Port Sudan (not on Tesla business).
She's not due to arrive in Zeebrugge until 22 Nov.
LAKE FUXIAN She is still keeping her head down (see my post above). She is heading to Zeebrugge but may call at Southampton on the way. We should be able to confirm this once she clears Suez on Monday. I expect her AIS to be switched on again later today or early tomorrow morning.
LAKE GENEVA is also on radio silence. She is heading initially to Koper (6 Nov) and then to Ashdod, Israel (11 Nov).
HELIOS RAY is Southampton bound (and probably Zeebrugge afterwards). She is currently entering the Bay of Bengal and making 16 kts.
VIKING OCEAN is also Southampton bound and should arrive there 24 hrs behind HELIOS RAY. She is 180NM behind HELIOS RAY doing 17.5kts. I haven't done a position chart for her since she is so close behind HELIOS RAY.
NABUCCO left Shanghai yesterday and is due to arrive in Southampton on 27 Nov and Zeebrugge on 29 Nov. She currently heading south through the busy East China Sea at 17.5kts. She is heading initially for Singapore where she will stop for a refuel.
The weather forecast is fine for all the ships at the moment although it may be a little choppy for TALIA at present.
Drammen, Norway received a consignment of cars yesterday which I believe were transported by DON PASQUALE. This ship departed Shanghai in Q3.
Just two ships remaining on the watch list at the moment:
THEMIS due to arrive in Zeebrugge 15 Nov.
GLOVIS CHALLENGE presently in the South China Sea and due to arrive in Suez on 10 Nov. Destination unknown.
Loading in Shanghai at the moment is MORNING CLARA. She will almost certainly be loading Teslas bound for Australia.
UPDATE:
I failed to mention HOEGH KOBE.
She is not a 'Tesla ship' per se but is on a scheduled RoRo service and it is believed to be carrying some Teslas to Zeebrugge. She is roughly between HELIOS RAY and VIKING OCEAN at present and is heading to Port Sudan (not on Tesla business).
She's not due to arrive in Zeebrugge until 22 Nov.
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Yeah, keep an eye out for your VIN in the source code and then once you have that you can usually guess which ship your car is on based on when you found your VIN!
Edit: Going back between threads so much, getting confused which is which
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Hi,
I read it but I thought they were going to swith if off for a few hours or something.
Thanks for the info, it is very useful!
The anticipated delivery dates suggest that your car may be shipped to Drammen from Zeeebrugge on PROMETHEUS LEADER which arrives on 25 Nov.
It departs Zeebrugge on 21 Nov and so you are probably looking for a ship that arrives in Zeebrugge just before 21 Nov.
Noooo! Please not here - this is ships.
ha nice to find some possible delivery dates...
Waiting for a MY ordered early sept (in the netherlands). Delivery would take place from stock in Amsterdam, but turned out my color was not availabe (red). So now waiting for the new ones to arrive in europe. No VIN yet so not sure if it is already on a boat...
Waiting for a MY ordered early sept (in the netherlands). Delivery would take place from stock in Amsterdam, but turned out my color was not availabe (red). So now waiting for the new ones to arrive in europe. No VIN yet so not sure if it is already on a boat...have an Y order mid October, also waiting, it can be on a ship and not assigned yet.ha nice to find some possible delivery dates...
UK MY's were quoted at startup of sales for early 2022 delivery. These wouldn't even be produced let alone on a ship. Once you have an estimated "actual" delivery date, count back 5-weeks and you will have an approximate shipment/loading date. Orders are matched (VIN's begin appearing) approx 10-12 days after the approximate loading/shipping date
I'm not in the UK
I'm in Portugal, and an estimated delivery date for November that will most likely be early December
Continuing the depressing subject of RoRo safety by this time looking at the second biggest safety issue in my book - stability or rather how easy it is for these ships to become unstable.
Ship designers like watertight compartments and plenty of bulkheads. They have learnt over the years that these features add to a ships seaworthiness and should disaster strike, the ship is more likely to survive.
These features are necessarily absent in a RoRo which require large obstruction-free decks. RoRo's operate in some of the busiest shipping areas and so the risk of a collision is high. As long as the hull is not compromised and the ship remains watertight there should not be a problem however as soon as water ingresses the liklihood of the ship capsizing becomes increasingly likely and is generally inevitable.
There is also another reason why these ships are prone to capsize and that is through inadequate ballasting. The ships have a number of ballast tanks that use water to keep the vessel in trim. The ballast system can be quite complex to operate and it's the responsibility of the Chief Officer (First Mate) to ensure the ship is properly ballasted at all times. Nowadays on modern RoRo's the ballasting is largely computer controlled. During loading if the ship starts to list more than a degree or so, ballast pumps kick into life automatically to bring the ship upright again. Once loading is complete the ballast computer will tell the bridge whether the ship is trimmed to within limits or not. Stability is a very complex subject that has been made a lot easier with the introduction of computers but one wonders whether this dependency on computers has led to a lack of education on this difficult subject. In any marine academy I think the stability lessons are the hardest to get your head round with never-ending formulae, graphs and abbreviations. Just when you think you've mastered it, they introduce damage, icing, water density and anything else to make your brain hurt. I thought the plimsoll line alone would do the trick but alas I was sadly mistaken. Suffice to say, stability is very easy to get wrong and it can have catastrophic consequences.
The most modern RoRo's have sensors which send data via satellite link to specialist maritime engineering companies who can supply the bridge with a solution to be entered into the ballast computer prior to departure.
The following is my list is of car carriers that have either capsized or developed a dangerous list:
Dec 02 TRICOLOR
Jul 06 COUGAR ACE
Dec 12 BALTIC ACE
Jan 15 HOEGH OSAKA
Jan 16 MODERN EXPRESS
Sep 19 GOLDEN RAY
May 21 BYAKKO
Sep 21 IVAN
The UK Maritime Accident Investigation Branch report into the HOEGH OSAKA incident in the Solent in Jan 15 is probably the most comprehensive and interesting read.
The American NTSB report on the GOLDEN RAY has now been published.
I have to say I personally found this report quite a disappointing read as I think it left many important questions unanswered. It appears that I was not alone and if you are at all interested I recommend watching this YouTube video by Salvatore R. Mercogliano. The author goes on a bit but by the end he has hit the nail on the head as far as I am concerned and explains the real reason why the ship capsized.
Ship designers like watertight compartments and plenty of bulkheads. They have learnt over the years that these features add to a ships seaworthiness and should disaster strike, the ship is more likely to survive.
These features are necessarily absent in a RoRo which require large obstruction-free decks. RoRo's operate in some of the busiest shipping areas and so the risk of a collision is high. As long as the hull is not compromised and the ship remains watertight there should not be a problem however as soon as water ingresses the liklihood of the ship capsizing becomes increasingly likely and is generally inevitable.
There is also another reason why these ships are prone to capsize and that is through inadequate ballasting. The ships have a number of ballast tanks that use water to keep the vessel in trim. The ballast system can be quite complex to operate and it's the responsibility of the Chief Officer (First Mate) to ensure the ship is properly ballasted at all times. Nowadays on modern RoRo's the ballasting is largely computer controlled. During loading if the ship starts to list more than a degree or so, ballast pumps kick into life automatically to bring the ship upright again. Once loading is complete the ballast computer will tell the bridge whether the ship is trimmed to within limits or not. Stability is a very complex subject that has been made a lot easier with the introduction of computers but one wonders whether this dependency on computers has led to a lack of education on this difficult subject. In any marine academy I think the stability lessons are the hardest to get your head round with never-ending formulae, graphs and abbreviations. Just when you think you've mastered it, they introduce damage, icing, water density and anything else to make your brain hurt. I thought the plimsoll line alone would do the trick but alas I was sadly mistaken. Suffice to say, stability is very easy to get wrong and it can have catastrophic consequences.
The most modern RoRo's have sensors which send data via satellite link to specialist maritime engineering companies who can supply the bridge with a solution to be entered into the ballast computer prior to departure.
The following is my list is of car carriers that have either capsized or developed a dangerous list:
Dec 02 TRICOLOR
Jul 06 COUGAR ACE
Dec 12 BALTIC ACE
Jan 15 HOEGH OSAKA
Jan 16 MODERN EXPRESS
Sep 19 GOLDEN RAY
May 21 BYAKKO
Sep 21 IVAN
The UK Maritime Accident Investigation Branch report into the HOEGH OSAKA incident in the Solent in Jan 15 is probably the most comprehensive and interesting read.
The American NTSB report on the GOLDEN RAY has now been published.
I have to say I personally found this report quite a disappointing read as I think it left many important questions unanswered. It appears that I was not alone and if you are at all interested I recommend watching this YouTube video by Salvatore R. Mercogliano. The author goes on a bit but by the end he has hit the nail on the head as far as I am concerned and explains the real reason why the ship capsized.
Ah, thanks. I am a bit down on my believes with Tesla and delivery dates...In the showroom I was told if I ordered right away I would have the car within a few weeks. Ordered the car the same day and next day received a delivery date of november 2021. Not finding a VIN makes me a bit anxious about that statement...
Just wanted to throw my hat into the ring for an M3LR in midnight silver with white interior and 19s order placed on Oct 21st.
I have been trying to use this thread to figure out how likely the estimated December delivery is. Some things make me confident, and then other don't.
At least this thread is keeping me occupied for now... Man it is hard to be patient. I guess I'll have to learn! (That and keep refreshing to see if the VIN has been updated).
I have been trying to use this thread to figure out how likely the estimated December delivery is. Some things make me confident, and then other don't.
At least this thread is keeping me occupied for now... Man it is hard to be patient. I guess I'll have to learn! (That and keep refreshing to see if the VIN has been updated).
Maybe the VIN appears in your account in the coming days. I ordered the MY 4th of October and delivery date was also November. Just be patient. Also based in the NL.Ah, thanks. I am a bit down on my believes with Tesla and delivery dates...In the showroom I was told if I ordered right away I would have the car within a few weeks. Ordered the car the same day and next day received a delivery date of november 2021. Not finding a VIN makes me a bit anxious about that statement...
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