Ingenext Boost Modules [aftermarket]

[Knightshade]

A couple years ago, the courts ruled that it was legal to jailbreak iPhones. I'm no lawyer, but it seems like if it's legal to jailbreak an iPhone, the same type of legal precedent would apply to hacking Tesla's OS, so I doubt (but again, I'm not a lawyer) that any laws were broken.

The DMCA is the most relevant law here... and it's less what a court ruled and more what the Librarian of Congress says every 3 years.

DMCA says every 3 year they have to issue (or extend for another 3) any exceptions to the law...

The exception they've been offering for almost a decade now relevant to jailbreak is that the jailbreaking of smartphones is legal "where circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of enabling interoperability of [lawfully obtained software] applications with computer programs on the telephone handset."

They've extended that to tablets and other similar devices since the original ruling.

But more relevant would be-

Computer programs that are contained in and control the functioning of a lawfully acquired motorized land vehicle such as a personal automobile, commercial vehicle, or mechanized agricultural vehicle, except for programs accessed through a separate subscription service, when circumvention is a necessary step to allow the diagnosis, repair, or lawful modification of a vehicle function, where such circumvention does not constitute a violation of applicable law, including without limitation regulations promulgated by the Department of Transportation or the Environmental Protection Agency, and is not accomplished for the purpose of gaining unauthorized access to other copyrighted works.

If what they're doing was writing their own control code to make the car faster this would probably be ok as "lawful modification"

If what they're doing is providing a hack they gives your car unpaid-to-tesla access to the existing Boost or P code, possibly not so legal especially if/when Tesla encrypts the canbus content.

But can Tesla deny service, warranty, and parts for your modified car? Yes, absolutely. They have no requirement to do business with you, and the warranty statement specifically states that the warranty can be voided under many circumstances, one of which is the installation of non-Tesla modifications.

That is not quite the case... you can't legally "void" a new car warranty other than for a salvage title on the car.

You can deny coverage for any issue specifically caused by an aftermarket part, but anything related to aftermarket parts must remain covered by the manufacturer.

So for example if you put aftermarket coilovers on the car and some other part of the suspension fails they can reasonably blame the coilovers for- no coverage for that. But they still have to fix your radio if it stops working.

 

[SlimJim]

Tesla is simply out of the automotive league. All on its own level. Amazing.

 

[TwoK4drSi]

It’s absolutely HILARIOUS about all those people who thought they were smarter than Tesla trying to save a few bucks. Uh hello....your car is a 24/7 connected smart car. It’s not a dumb ice car where you only go in for service and reflash back to stock. And these people thought they were smarter than us fools for paying for the tesla boost. Who’s the fool now? Lmao.

 

[Michelle_eriw]

It’s absolutely HILARIOUS about all those people who thought they were smarter than Tesla trying to save a few bucks. Uh hello....your car is a 24/7 connected smart car. It’s not a dumb ice car where you only go in for service and reflash back to stock. And these people thought they were smarter than us fools for paying for the tesla boost. Who’s the fool now? Lmao.

And then there are those of us who will save two grand by not getting the performance boost because 4.4 seconds 0-60 and 145 MPH top speed are more than fast enough.

 

[DrtyJrze]

The funniest thing about this whole thread is that literally from the very first response it was said this was going to happen.

I don’t feel bad for anyone who got that mod and gets handicapped by Tesla. Penny wise, pound foolish.

 

[TwoK4drSi]

And then there are those of us who will save two grand by not getting the performance boost because 4.4 seconds 0-60 and 145 MPH top speed are more than fast enough.

Lmao....Then why are you even in here? Must Be itching real real bad eh. Us that have bought it know the juice is worth the squeeze.

 

[lotusland]

Highly entertaining!

 

[SlimJim]

Lmao....Then why are you even in here? Must Be itching real real bad eh. Us that have bought it know the juice is worth the squeeze.

Mimicing on the road.

 

[Dreamthugg23]

This is why I don't post in the forums anymore. =(

I'm off to enjoy the rest of my day....

Info on your network? thank you for your time.

 

[MagnusMako]

I now have this mod. Everything turned out great and the car is performing flawlessly.

A few nice things:

- Ingenext now offers this as a DIY kit so no bringing it to EG (though I love them) - I did this all from my garage at home.
- It requires a laptop with internet access and you'll need to coordinate with Ingenext so they can remotely program it while their module is hooked up.
- It took over an hour. Getting the Tesla harness out of the MCU takes some dexterity and flexibility. Otherwise, very straightforward.
- You can revert back to stock if needed.
- Ingenext will provide 2 free updates (meaning Tesla software updates) and $75 per update thereafter - granted they can get around / work alongside them.
- Did a few Dragy runs afterwards. Validated time is below and up on Dragy Leaderboards as well.

Cheers from a satisfied customer.

 

[Hybrid_GHOST]

I now have this mod. Everything turned out great and the car is performing flawlessly.

A few nice things:

- Ingenext now offers this as a DIY kit so no bringing it to EG (though I love them) - I did this all from my garage at home.
- It requires a laptop with internet access and you'll need to coordinate with Ingenext so they can remotely program it while their module is hooked up.
- It took over an hour. Getting the Tesla harness out of the MCU takes some dexterity and flexibility. Otherwise, very straightforward.
- You can revert back to stock if needed.
- Ingenext will provide 2 free updates (meaning Tesla software updates) and $75 per update thereafter - granted they can get around / work alongside them.
- Did a few Dragy runs afterwards. Validated time is below and up on Dragy Leaderboards as well.

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Cheers from a satisfied customer.

Yeeessss... keep us updated! I would love this I just would hate to ruin my warranty over it. *dilemma*

 

[TwoK4drSi]

I now have this mod. Everything turned out great and the car is performing flawlessly.

A few nice things:

- Ingenext now offers this as a DIY kit so no bringing it to EG (though I love them) - I did this all from my garage at home.
- It requires a laptop with internet access and you'll need to coordinate with Ingenext so they can remotely program it while their module is hooked up.
- It took over an hour. Getting the Tesla harness out of the MCU takes some dexterity and flexibility. Otherwise, very straightforward.
- You can revert back to stock if needed.
- Ingenext will provide 2 free updates (meaning Tesla software updates) and $75 per update thereafter - granted they can get around / work alongside them.
- Did a few Dragy runs afterwards. Validated time is below and up on Dragy Leaderboards as well.

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Cheers from a satisfied customer.

So first and foremost...congrats on being the first. I’ve always knew you could do this remotely and there’s no “hardware” persay to install. Maybe they mean the dongle that they send you but other than that...the car hardware is exactly the same as we all predicted.

Since you are the first can you report back with a couple of items. I’m sure it would benefit most of us to know

1. how is energy consumption during normal driving? Same or more?
2. Can you skip Tesla updates for like a year and then update? Or do you physically have to do every update one on top of another in the order of the release? I’d assume you have to update the car before the next update is released.
3. Do you have a performance friend you can race “in Mexico” to see if the power level is the same or more than the performance. OBDII would be best if you can access it.

I know you just got it but I think doing this remotely might be worth it.

 

[Candleflame]

I now have this mod. Everything turned out great and the car is performing flawlessly.

A few nice things:

- Ingenext now offers this as a DIY kit so no bringing it to EG (though I love them) - I did this all from my garage at home.
- It requires a laptop with internet access and you'll need to coordinate with Ingenext so they can remotely program it while their module is hooked up.
- It took over an hour. Getting the Tesla harness out of the MCU takes some dexterity and flexibility. Otherwise, very straightforward.
- You can revert back to stock if needed.
- Ingenext will provide 2 free updates (meaning Tesla software updates) and $75 per update thereafter - granted they can get around / work alongside them.
- Did a few Dragy runs afterwards. Validated time is below and up on Dragy Leaderboards as well.

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Cheers from a satisfied customer.

how does the increased power feel, is it all that noticeable?

 

[TyH2009]

Interesting, phew that's fast.

 

[dfwatt]

I now have this mod. Everything turned out great and the car is performing flawlessly.

A few nice things:

- Ingenext now offers this as a DIY kit so no bringing it to EG (though I love them) - I did this all from my garage at home.
- It requires a laptop with internet access and you'll need to coordinate with Ingenext so they can remotely program it while their module is hooked up.
- It took over an hour. Getting the Tesla harness out of the MCU takes some dexterity and flexibility. Otherwise, very straightforward.
- You can revert back to stock if needed.
- Ingenext will provide 2 free updates (meaning Tesla software updates) and $75 per update thereafter - granted they can get around / work alongside them.
- Did a few Dragy runs afterwards. Validated time is below and up on Dragy Leaderboards as well.

View attachment 598315

Cheers from a satisfied customer.

That is a seriously quick time. Like the quickest time I've ever seen on draggy or close to it. Have you lightened your car? Are you running 18 inch wheels? Have you done anything else to achieve such an amazing time?

If not, your time raises some interesting questions about whether or not they've actually done something to improve the inverter code or whether they simply just unlocked performance level inverter function

 

[P-Lo801]

After reading through most of this thread, i'm confused about a couple of things. First, it appears that Tesla has been able to detect this already. Yet, the company still seems to be improving upon their product. Does this prove these software "unlocks" are becoming more Tesla-detection-proof over time?

Have there been any reports back from those who got the error message from their car indicating the detection of the software mod? What's happened with their cars since then?

Did they just release this "ghost" unlock that upgrades the early AWD with 980 motors to P3 level? I see that they'll also be able to "clone" future updates from Tesla. So, I take it that this is a complete gamble for those who purchase it with regard to giving up the warranty on their cars?

 

[phantasms]

Time to race your boss Mako.

 

[Knightshade]

After reading through most of this thread, i'm confused about a couple of things. First, it appears that Tesla has been able to detect this already. Yet, the company still seems to be improving upon their product. Does this prove these software "unlocks" are becoming more Tesla-detection-proof over time?

Have there been any reports back from those who got the error message from their car indicating the detection of the software mod? What's happened with their cars since then?

Did they just release this "ghost" unlock that upgrades the early AWD with 980 motors to P3 level? I see that they'll also be able to "clone" future updates from Tesla. So, I take it that this is a complete gamble for those who purchase it with regard to giving up the warranty on their cars?

There are 2 different mods.

The one that basically gives you the acceleration boost for like $1100 is the one Tesla easily detected despite the maker claiming it was undetectable.

The car remains on the tesla network, and gets normal updates, and so it'll be simple enough for Tesla to know you have it at any time they wish to know.



The ghost upgrade that Mako just got is NOT that.

It's the one you used to have to physically go to EG to get- but can now do yourself with a laptop and you doing the wiring install... and it turns the car into a P (minus track mode, subbing in their nanny defeat software instead). It's $2300, and takes your car OFF the Tesla network so you don't get updates (other than through the maker, and for a fee each time after the first 2) and your car isn't sending data back to Tesla at all.

If you ever need service you can remove the mod- though I'm unclear if doing so lets you get back on the Tesla network (and if there'd be logged data on the car that'd make it obvious you had the mod on there- I would expect so unless they're somehow deleting the logs as part of the removal back to stock process)

 

[P-Lo801]

Is it safe to assume that if my car's build date was January 2019, that I have the 980 motor?

 

[TwoK4drSi]

There are 2 different mods.

The one that basically gives you the acceleration boost for like $1100 is the one Tesla easily detected despite the maker claiming it was undetectable.

The car remains on the tesla network, and gets normal updates, and so it'll be simple enough for Tesla to know you have it at any time they wish to know.



The ghost upgrade that Mako just got is NOT that.

It's the one you used to have to physically go to EG to get- but can now do yourself with a laptop and you doing the wiring install... and it turns the car into a P (minus track mode, subbing in their nanny defeat software instead). It's $2300, and takes your car OFF the Tesla network so you don't get updates (other than through the maker, and for a fee each time after the first 2) and your car isn't sending data back to Tesla at all.

If you ever need service you can remove the mod- though I'm unclear if doing so lets you get back on the Tesla network (and if there'd be logged data on the car that'd make it obvious you had the mod on there- I would expect so unless they're somehow deleting the logs as part of the removal back to stock process)

The question now is that if you’re “off” the the network...do they know you’re “off” the network.