Techno-phile
S100D, P3D- in garage
No I haven't tried it myself, but others have. But good point, I will grab an M3 and see if it works with mine own eyes
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3 phase or single phase WC supply better?
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raynewman
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Ya - fooled me too; that's a 3 phase plug so I don't know what they are pushing.
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The problem sounds like the cable has sufficient gauge for 24 amps, but only just enough gauge for 40 amps.Same 3p cable from Meter to 3phase socket for both 1p 40amp HPWC and 3p 32amp HPWC.
Neutral increased in size to be able to handle single phase.
No voltage drop on 24amp 3p, but big voltage drop on 40amp 1p.
I always assumed the voltage drop was due to a large unbalanced draw on 1p (not that I need to charge at this rate)
When running 3 phase, each of the lines takes 24A independently, and when running single phase, two lines are cold and one line is carrying 40A.
The gauge requirement depends on amps and length. If gauge is insufficient the resistance goes up as the line warms, and voltage sags since it's the moveable variable in the V=IR equation.
It's unlikely to be the power supply to the house, because that would be gauged for close to 100 or 200A, given all the different circuits in your house that could be running at once, each on a 10/20/32 amp breaker.
That is a 4 pin (3 Phase + Earth) 20 Amp plug you want a 5 pin plug as you need the neutral
It’s a Clipsal 56P532 or 56PA532 (Angled version).
Page 28 of this Clipsal catalogue.
https://updates.clipsal.com/ClipsalOnline/Files/Brochures/I0000116.pdf
Regarding 3 phase charging on the go, what does everyone think of this: PC05A - 3x16A / 3-phase - Metron Shop
Looks to be a greate compact solution with either an adaptor or just a Aus 3 phase plug on the end.
Looks to be a greate compact solution with either an adaptor or just a Aus 3 phase plug on the end.
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Doesn't the new UMC only support single phase charging? I've also heard it is not compatible with the euro pigtail.
raynewman
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TP grabbed my M3 and tested with Gen 1 UMC 3 phase today. Worked as expected drawing 12KW (67Km/hr) Seems like the way to go for remote cruising in Oz. I considered purchasing but at $690 US for the cheapest setup I could find you would want to be using it a lot to justify.
Techno-phile
S100D, P3D- in garage
And here is TH232 sucking on 12kW of my power. Storm in Perth today so no solar.
In fact a bit later the grid went down so Schwarzenegger was back-up
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Techno-phile
S100D, P3D- in garage
So, electrician turned up (a real one, I'm a Desk-Sparky these days )
Long story short, I think he didn't want the hassle of trying to run a new 3C+E cable via some tortuous path in my (2 story) house, so gave an estimate of $2-3k & a wait for cable! WTF ..
Oh, he'd also said he'd have to retrofit the board with some new integral ELCBs breakers because I'd run out of board space since getting solar ....
He said instead he could do the install with my existing 6mm single phase cable for ~$400-$500
... so that what I did
$460
Like me, the electrician had to google the American wiring terminology and translate that into appropriate DIP settings to match our local MEN system.
So it didn't turn out too bad, I'm charging at the full 32A single phase and its saying 8kW, slightly better than Toms quoted 7kW, but that probably because my voltage is sitting nicely a bit over 240VAC.
Awesome setup, literally didn't have to do anything to set the charger up, pressed the plug button and the car opened the charger door!
)Long story short, I think he didn't want the hassle of trying to run a new 3C+E cable via some tortuous path in my (2 story) house, so gave an estimate of $2-3k & a wait for cable! WTF ..
Oh, he'd also said he'd have to retrofit the board with some new integral ELCBs breakers because I'd run out of board space since getting solar ....
He said instead he could do the install with my existing 6mm single phase cable for ~$400-$500
... so that what I did
$460
Like me, the electrician had to google the American wiring terminology and translate that into appropriate DIP settings to match our local MEN system.
So it didn't turn out too bad, I'm charging at the full 32A single phase and its saying 8kW, slightly better than Toms quoted 7kW, but that probably because my voltage is sitting nicely a bit over 240VAC.
Awesome setup, literally didn't have to do anything to set the charger up, pressed the plug button and the car opened the charger door!
My sparky installed the HPWC yesterday - I have 3 phase power, he installed a new 32A 3-phase breaker in our sub-board, ran a massively thick multi-core cable to the HPWC and flicked the internal rotary switch to 32A.
When I charge, however, the screen in the car and the app show charging at “16A/16A”, around 72 km/hr, and the total power consumption is around 11.5 kW. My solar, PW2 and grid were all injecting juice into Slartibartfast
Is this all working as expected? I was expecting to see charging at “32A/32A” but maybe I’m missing something... other posts here imply this is what I should be getting.
Merry Tesla Christmas everyone!
When I charge, however, the screen in the car and the app show charging at “16A/16A”, around 72 km/hr, and the total power consumption is around 11.5 kW. My solar, PW2 and grid were all injecting juice into Slartibartfast
Is this all working as expected? I was expecting to see charging at “32A/32A” but maybe I’m missing something... other posts here imply this is what I should be getting.
Merry Tesla Christmas everyone!
My sparky installed the HPWC yesterday - I have 3 phase power, he installed a new 32A 3-phase breaker in our sub-board, ran a massively thick multi-core cable to the HPWC and flicked the internal rotary switch to 32A.
When I charge, however, the screen in the car and the app show charging at “16A/16A”, around 72 km/hr, and the total power consumption is around 11.5 kW. My solar, PW2 and grid were all injecting juice into Slartibartfast
Is this all working as expected? I was expecting to see charging at “32A/32A” but maybe I’m missing something... other posts here imply this is what I should be getting.
Merry Tesla Christmas everyone!
The AC charger for the M3 maxes out at 11.5kW.
raynewman
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That is correct; 16 AMP 3 phase is the max a 3 will use. The only Tesla to date that will use 32 AMP 3 phase is the older S with two on-board chargers.My sparky installed the HPWC yesterday - I have 3 phase power, he installed a new 32A 3-phase breaker in our sub-board, ran a massively thick multi-core cable to the HPWC and flicked the internal rotary switch to 32A.
When I charge, however, the screen in the car and the app show charging at “16A/16A”, around 72 km/hr, and the total power consumption is around 11.5 kW. My solar, PW2 and grid were all injecting juice into Slartibartfast
Is this all working as expected? I was expecting to see charging at “32A/32A” but maybe I’m missing something... other posts here imply this is what I should be getting.
Merry Tesla Christmas everyone!
