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I agree with this. It also mirrors something else' "Pass this healthcare bill so that you can find out whats in it"
Mod note: Let's leave politics out of this, please.
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I agree with this. It also mirrors something else' "Pass this healthcare bill so that you can find out whats in it"
Quite simply, YES. Tesla advertised the Model S as nearly maintenance free .... then comes a required $600 annual service. Now, outdated cell technology at a premium price?
It's more about what we early adopters were sold vs. what we are now finding out .... So, if true, a major, major disappointment !
From what I understand you won't be able to look up destinations with Google without internet access but can use your phone to find the address and then enter it on the Model S.
They've always been clear that there would be a fee. Everyone lucked out with free service until they were able to negotiate a price with a carrier and announce it -- this looks more like 'passing the price on' than nickel and diming.
Another response would be 'well, it was great we had it free for awhile, but I don't think it's worth paying for so I won't'.
If the Tesla is so simple that it doesn't cost much to maintain how come it costs $600/year (which comes to $50 per month) for routine service? I have owned 20 vehicles before this one. BMW's, SAAB, Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, Mini, Fiat and a variety of others and NONE of them ever cost an average of $600/year for total service during the first 4 years/50000 miles of ownership. Maybe I got to $250/year on a few occasions. I don't want to hear about this being a $100k car and what do you expect. It is available as a $50k car and everything still applies. ($54k with Nav). Add to $50/month for service a nice fat $20/month for Vampire drainage and another $30 to keep your Navigation functioning in a mediocre fashion and we hit $100/month. I don't care how much money you make, we are getting stuck and we shouldn't accept it lightly. What's next, another $15/month to pay Apple for connection rights for our iPods. BTW, every other car on the planet accepts iPods either digitally or through an analog connection. Our BT connection is junk and doesn't work on an iPod which is the most common media storage medium in the world. Oh yes, we still don't have WiFi as advertised in the sales brochures. Look Gentleman and Ladies, it has been over 9 months since this car was released and it is high time these issues get solved. Yes the car drives wonderfully and it meets or exceeds my expectations in those areas easily. That does not excuse the FACT that it is more in line with a $30k Korean or Japanese car in its execution of creature comforts and non-driving features. Where the hell is my parcel shelf? I can make one myself in an afternoon. What is the big problem with a sheet of plywood with some fuzz on it? It doesn't even connect to the lift gate like every other auto brand does.
Clearly I'm irritated by the recent news of an impending 3G charge. This rant does make me feel better but I am serious about my feelings that we are getting screwed. I know it is a brand new technology and I willingly signed up to be inconvenienced while things are being perfected but these are ancient technologies we are talking about and there should be no problems at least matching equivalent cars.
Damnit, I'm going to go drive somewhere.
Let's be real here. I paid the better part of $4000 for a Nav system package. I EXPECT to get a Nav package that WORKS without additional fees, just like every other car brand on the planet. I don't care about Slacker, XM and Google maps or Album cover artwork. If I need that stuff, I should be willing to pay for it. I paid for and I am entitled to decent Nav that works. Not that tiny piece of crap picture scrunched into the left side of the instrument cluster, but a real working screen. I rarely type in addresses. I want to look at the surroundings and figure out which streets to take in un familiar surroundings. $30/ month is outlandish and just plain deceitful. I continually asked employees at various Tesla stores how this system would function without 3G and they made up a variety of answers. Never got the same story twice. The gist of it was that the screen would still function like a "normal" Nav system. It doesn't even do that now with 3G since you can count on 3G coverage even in a major city! Here is my solution to the problem. Costs $150 at your local Best Buy and works significantly better than the stock system as well. What do you think this image is going to convey about Tesla and their marvelous machine?
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Let Tesla load the maps into memory or even on a USB stick so the car can access them like a traditional DVD system. This way we could at least get car direction up which the current system can't do. I'm not concerned about the maps being updated daily. I never changed DVD's more often the every 5 years with other cars. I live in a stable area, the landscape doesn't change that fast any longer. There has got to be a simple and fair solution other than taking on fee after fee.
If the Tesla is so simple that it doesn't cost much to maintain how come it costs $600/year (which comes to $50 per month) for routine service? I have owned 20 vehicles before this one. BMW's, SAAB, Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, Mini, Fiat and a variety of others and NONE of them ever cost an average of $600/year for total service during the first 4 years/50000 miles of ownership. Maybe I got to $250/year on a few occasions. I don't want to hear about this being a $100k car and what do you expect. It is available as a $50k car and everything still applies. ($54k with Nav). Add to $50/month for service a nice fat $20/month for Vampire drainage and another $30 to keep your Navigation functioning in a mediocre fashion and we hit $100/month. I don't care how much money you make, we are getting stuck and we shouldn't accept it lightly. What's next, another $15/month to pay Apple for connection rights for our iPods. BTW, every other car on the planet accepts iPods either digitally or through an analog connection. Our BT connection is junk and doesn't work on an iPod which is the most common media storage medium in the world. Oh yes, we still don't have WiFi as advertised in the sales brochures. Look Gentleman and Ladies, it has been over 9 months since this car was released and it is high time these issues get solved. Yes the car drives wonderfully and it meets or exceeds my expectations in those areas easily. That does not excuse the FACT that it is more in line with a $30k Korean or Japanese car in its execution of creature comforts and non-driving features. Where the hell is my parcel shelf? I can make one myself in an afternoon. What is the big problem with a sheet of plywood with some fuzz on it? It doesn't even connect to the lift gate like every other auto brand does.
Clearly I'm irritated by the recent news of an impending 3G charge. This rant does make me feel better but I am serious about my feelings that we are getting screwed. I know it is a brand new technology and I willingly signed up to be inconvenienced while things are being perfected but these are ancient technologies we are talking about and there should be no problems at least matching equivalent cars.
Damnit, I'm going to go drive somewhere.
So you want it for free? For the life of your car?
$30 a month for one year is $360 a year
8 years of $360 is $2800
That seems like a reasonable amount for Tesla to absorb?
Now take that $2880 times this year's production only:
$2880.00 times 20,000 cars is 57 million dollars ($57,600,000) annually for Tesla.
To complete that thought, 8 years times $57,600,000 is more than $460 million dollars.
20000 cars now, but each year is another 20000 cars (or more). Prolly closer to 200 million dollars at 8 years out, but I get the point too.@vfx: Eric, you multiplied by "8 years" twice; nevertheless you do make a point.