Plugitin#1
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lol, but I am and love it!this made me chuckle a bit as it translates to "yoke is great...when you arent using it".
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lol, but I am and love it!this made me chuckle a bit as it translates to "yoke is great...when you arent using it".
Is it perfect, no. Is it a disaster, definitely not. When FSD is ready (who knows when) this is a perfect scenario. If not, it has its flaws for sure, but not nearly what people are saying, writing, or stressing over. "I won't buy a tesla because of it", is totally ridiculous. That is my point. Your points are valid, however, and I get it.But don't you have to find the indicator buttons when the yoke is say over 90 degrees off centre? I wouldn't like to find the correct one when the RH handle is turned counterclockwise over my right thigh. Stalk indicator is always in the same position.
Try the yolk for a month then see if you still hate it.
I think you will find you will like it more than you think...but not much moreMy eggspectation is that I still would not care much for it.
Try the yolk for a month then see if you still hate it.
I am not sure how many miles you have driven with your yoke but I have found several advantages. It is wider and allows me to hold it while resting my arm on the door better than my old S or X. Plus I am not sure if the steering sensor is more sensitive but the nag is less with my yoke - maybe I have more pressure on the wheel. I like commuting with the yoke - the car seems more open inside. I prefer my X over my old S because the old S had a more cramped feel.Why? It is inferior to a wheel (including the removal of the stalk here). There is literally zero advantage to the yoke. Why do I need to try something that is objectively inferior with literally zero benefits.
Thus the issue. You assume inferiority when in reality it isn't. I know this is like my stereo is better than yours, round and round we go. Just an opinion amongst a sea oa many.Why? It is inferior to a wheel (including the removal of the stalk here). There is literally zero advantage to the yoke. Why do I need to try something that is objectively inferior with literally zero benefits.
I mentioned point 1 above... Point 2, I can shift it just as fast, if not faster than my other vehicles. I had a ram with dial on the dash next to screen and I can do the tesla faster. Given i dont have to pass R N etc. Its one button park and swipe.100% correct. It’s a few primary things which, added together, make an ergonomic disaster unbefitting of an expensive, otherwise perfect car. Since there are no other cars in the same league as the Tesla Model S, it’s immensely frustrating for us who wished to buy a newer one.
1. Yoke – no good reason, -12. On screen ‘shifting’ – slow, shitty -33. Wandering, haptic turn signals – stupid -24. Wandering, haptic horn ‘button’ – dangerous -5Those 11 points take the new S from 100% to 89% — not cool, Elon, not cool. There is no reasonable hope that it will change back. Much more likely, the new stalkless control paradigm will infect the entire fleet starting with Cybertruck and eventually making it to Model Y—their best selling vehicle. This does not bode well.
An aftermarket company could build a round yoke replacement with a proper, centered, horn button. They could make real buttons for the wandering turn signals and other awful haptic controls; but stalks are gone forever, so we’re stuck with on–screen ‘shifting’. I suppose I could live with that.
Come on man…. The yoke sucks.Thus the issue. You assume inferiority when in reality it isn't. I know this is like my stereo is better than yours, round and round we go. Just an opinion amongst a sea oa many.
Exactly. Elon is losing it big time.even in this thread...with persons defending the yoke itself. Not a single person even attempting to defend the combo of yoke/no ability to activate horn via airbag/turn signal buttons. That combo? A massive step backwards.
And its obvious the internal testers KNEW it was bad. But too scared to say so to Elon
And this is why I will never but another Tesla until all this stuff is fixed. Well said Dan.100% correct. It’s a few primary things which, added together, make an ergonomic disaster unbefitting of an expensive, otherwise perfect car. Since there are no other cars in the same league as the Tesla Model S, it’s immensely frustrating for us who wished to buy a newer one.
1. Yoke – no good reason, -12. On screen ‘shifting’ – slow, shitty -33. Wandering, haptic turn signals – stupid -24. Wandering, haptic horn ‘button’ – dangerous -5Those 11 points take the new S from 100% to 89% — not cool, Elon, not cool. There is no reasonable hope that it will change back. Much more likely, the new stalkless control paradigm will infect the entire fleet starting with Cybertruck and eventually making it to Model Y—their best selling vehicle. This does not bode well.
An aftermarket company could build a round yoke replacement with a proper, centered, horn button. They could make real buttons for the wandering turn signals and other awful haptic controls; but stalks are gone forever, so we’re stuck with on–screen ‘shifting’. I suppose I could live with that.
At 77, I really don't care if I'm cool. That said, I drive with one hand in my lap, palm up and holding the wheel. I imagine I could hold a yoke just as easily.We can argue all the finer points endlessly, but at the end of the day, cool folks are cruising with their hand on the top of the steering wheel.
You mean that you start signaling AFTER you've started your turn?? I've always found that signaling several seconds BEFORE starting my turn is more enlightening to following traffic. I think your argument ignores reality, as several seconds before a turn my thumbs are quite available to tap a signal button, and takes much less time and muscle memory that grabbing for a signal stalk.But don't you have to find the indicator buttons when the yoke is say over 90 degrees off centre?