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Advice on Finalizing Your Order

Discussion in 'Model S: Ordering, Production, Delivery' started by Jack, Aug 15, 2012.

  1. Jack

    Jack P-880

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    I'm new to this forum and joined as i was searching for info on finalizing my order (#880) for my Model S. I'm seeking advice on 'must haves' and what to avoid on the options list. There are threads for many of the individual options, but none that i'm aware of for an 'all up' one place to go to get advice on finalizing from owners (please advise if there is).

    I'd appreciate any high level safety tips before finalizing my order. I expect this to be the last car i buy and want to get it right. Goodbye to HMC and OPEC. Thanks. Jack.
     
  2. contaygious

    contaygious Active Member

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    What are you planning on getting?
     
  3. jerry33

    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

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    About the only things that everyone agrees on is that if you are getting a white car, don't get the paint armour, and the pano roof has much better headroom, especially in the rear. The rest is really personal preference.
     
  4. Jack

    Jack P-880

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    General production (not the performance model), thinking of silver, gray leather, lacewood, 85KW, 19" wheel (rep said performance tires wear after 8-10K miles and not so good for New England), most of the options - expect the S to last for a while.
     
  5. Tommy

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    I remember reading in one of the posts that a Tesla employee commented that the pano roof and stereo upgrade were the most "bang for the buck" options. I ordered both.
     
  6. gg_got_a_tesla

    gg_got_a_tesla Model S: VIN P65513, Model 3 Res Holder

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    I ordered neither. Agree with Jerry that most of these options are a matter of personal taste.
     
  7. Jack

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    Thanks - i've seen the advice on paint armour on white - but it's mixed on silver - this is one of the tougher calls - generally, spending this much without seeing the car is a bit of a challenge - haven't had an S event in the Boston area yet.
     
  8. Todd Burch

    Todd Burch Electron Pilot

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    #8 Todd Burch, Aug 15, 2012
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    Hi Jack, and welcome to the forums! It's about time you showed up here :).

    Regarding options, and which you should get, that's a can of worms and a personal decision. I just finalized last week and I'll give you my line of thinking:

    First, the obvious ones:
    Twin Chargers
    Even without the twin chargers, you'll be able to use Tesla's Superchargers (assuming you're getting the 60 or 85 kWh versions), since they're DC (and the extra charger only doubles charging rate when charging with AC power (like that from a wall outlet).

    As a general rule, if you anticipate needing to replenish hundreds of miles in just a few hours of charging at home--or if you anticipate making use of high power public chargers such as J1772, you might want to get the twin chargers (charges at 62 miles per hour). Otherwise, you'll be fine with the single charger (charges at half that, or 31 miles per hour).

    My view: My round-trip commute is about 75 miles per day, and I rarely drive significantly more than that. I have no problem replenishing those 75 miles in about 2.5 hours overnight. In fact, overnight I can recharge the entire 300 mile range of an 85kWh battery.

    If you're looking to save some money, go with the single charger unless you drive a LOT. Note that in order to take advantage of the twin charger rate, you'd also have to buy the High Power Wall Connector (HPWC). Avoiding this saves you $2,700.

    Parcel Shelf

    Relatively small percentage of total cost at $250. If you're worried about theft or privacy of the contents of your car, you might be interested in this. But frankly a bag or blanket can serve the same purpose. I passed on the parcel shelf, saving $250.

    Paint Armor

    Personal decision. I just decided that if I ensure that I have good following distance and don't race down gravel roads, I can minimize damage to the paint finish from road debris. I saw the paint armor protection on a few cars during the demo drives and thought it was pretty noticable. It adds to the challenge of cleaning the car, and is a not-insignificant purchase of $950. I skipped on this.

    Rear Facing Seats

    Unless you have a large family (larger than 5, with 2 young children), I'd skip this. Even if you do have a large family, do you want to put all 6 or 7 of them into the car? Sure it fits and its designed for it, but it doesn't seem like it'd be too comfortable. Skipping these seats saves $1500 and ensures you maximize cargo storage space.

    Edit: Also, this is a bit like people who buy SUVs for that once-a-year roadtrip with the family, and then drive as a single driver the rest of the year. Doesn't seem to make sense to spend on an option that you almost never take advantage of. Honestly, how often will you need to have 6 or 7 people in your car, and how often will you know that 1 or 2 of those passengers will be in the age/height range as specified by the rear facing seats?

    Active Air Suspension

    You're P880, so unless you defer to 2013, you're getting the air suspension. I personally think it's worth it anyway, for both the improved ride quality and the ability to raise the car over obstacles (steep driveways, for example). For those with the choice, I'd probably recommend this unless you're on a tight budget.

    Sound Studio

    Depends on how important music is to you. Personally, I love music...so I'm getting this for $950. If you only listen to talk radio, or prefer silence when you drive, skip this. But if you like music, this is great value for the cost.

    Tech Package

    This is tricky, since the cost is not insignificant ($3750). I'm personally getting this, and most people seem to be as well. Let's look at the contents of this package (again, these are my opinions):
    -Xenon Headlamps: Some here swear by the xenons, and feel the cost of the tech package is worth it just for the headlights alone. Honestly, while the xenons are nicer, it's not something that made me get this package. (Yes, opinions will differ. Others will say this is the one item that sold the tech package for them).
    -Electrochromatic side mirrors: Again, not a big deal to me. Nice, but glare from headlights from the side mirrors is a relatively minor inconvenience for me.
    -LED foglights: This is more of a "looks" thing for me than it is functional. I like the look of the fog lights..but really don't need them.
    -Convenience lighting: Nice little touch, but again not a big deal.
    -Power rear liftgate and automatic keyless entry: The only difference between standard entry and automatic keyless entry is that with the tech package you don't have to press a button on the fob to unlock the car...it senses your presence. Some see this as a big convenience item: you can approach the car with both hands full of groceries and it will unlock for you. But in the end, you still have to open the door, so it's not personally a big thing for me. Although it is kinda cool for the door handles to present themselves to you as you approach the car. It's a gimmicky cool item that you can show off to others. As for the powered liftgate, that's a relatively minor thing in my mind but it might be important to others.
    -Turn-by-turn navigation with 7 years of free map updates: This has pretty good worth. Without it, you don't get turn-by-turn instructions.
    -HD Backup camera: Nice, but without the tech package you get an SD camera, so the only difference is a little bit of resolution in the backup camera. Is that significant? If your budget's tight, probably not.
    -Homelink: Automatically opens garage doors, turns on lights, opens gates, etc. for homes equipped with compatible hardware. Small convenience item in my mind...not a big deal if your budget's tight.

    So if your budget's tight I'd probably pass on the tech package, but if I had to sacrifice somewhere I'd probably give up the air suspension before giving up the tech package.

    Pano Roof

    Another personal decision, although the pano roof gives rear passengers extra headroom and allows you to almost "put the top down". I think it's definitely worth it for $1500, and I think most people here find the pano roof worth the additional cost.

    Edit: Pano roof also gets you the roof rack attachment points.

    Leather

    I think the leather's worth it @ $1500 unless you're on a really tight budget. It's a premium car...it should have leather! Plus you get seat warmers, more seat adjustment, seat memory...and more options for trim instead of just piano black. Although some greatly prefer cloth to avoid the hot/stickiness in summer, and higher maintenance of leather seats, the advantage of leather is that it's easier to clean and doesn't tend to retain smells like cloth does. This one's up to you.

    21" Wheel Upgrade

    This has a big impact on total cost of operation for the car, usability, and a slight impact on range. Personally, I went with the base 19" wheels. Reasons:
    -21" tires are summer performance only. If you live in an area that gets cold, the rubber will not grip the road well and you'll have little traction. You would have to get a set of winter or all-season tires for the cold season, which are not available in 21" sizes. That means you'd have to purchase another set of wheels too. And you'd have to swap wheels in the cold season.
    -The 21" tires are low-profile, which looks cool and improves cornering performance but increases the potential for wheel damage from potholes or "curbing".
    -The 21" performance tires have a lower treadwear rating, so they won't last as long.
    -The 21" tires are more expensive to replace.
    -The 21" tires reduce the range by a few miles. Not dramatic, but worthy of note.

    I guess that about covers it. Again, it's all up to you but hopefully this sums up a lot of different discussion threads and helps you reach a decision.
     
  9. Jack

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    Thanks Todd - this is exactly what i was looking for and is much appreciated.
     
  10. Jason S

    Jason S Model S Sig Perf (P85)

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    I think Todd's assessment of the options is fair. If it isn't in the FAQ, it should be.
     
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    Great review, Todd! ! ! !
     
  12. Liz G

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    FYI - I decided to skip the paint armor and have a local professional do it. Couple of reasons:
    1. I want the entire hood protected, Tesla only covers the front 24in
    2. I wanted the edges wrapped, usually factory install just goes up to or almost up to the edge
     
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    Liz are you wrapping the whole car? I'm considering this on white. I also noticed the tesla armor only covers a small part of the hood.
     
  14. Jack

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    So how much does it cost to do it right?
     
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    My bid for entire hood, ONLY, was $800. I am not too worried about soft bumpers and lower areas. On my present car, just about all chips are on the hood, and the hood is what people look at.
     
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    Jack, Welcome, fellow Bostonian. I joined recently and the knowledge base folks on this forum have is invaluable. Loved Todd's review above - see also "Various Comments on Model S" thread. I signed my papers today - three years later. let me share that in the final days I made one big concession: I stepped down to a 60kWh battery to save money and allow me to take the tech and speaker packages and pano roof and air suspension. I added Twin Chargers which, at any station over 40A (including my home), will let me fly to a Full Charge and, along with Superchargers along the Boston NYC corridor (I presume), will leave me rarely concerned about range. I think! The key point is that Roadster owners had a 245 battery (version 2 - correct?) and I have not read about or met owners who ever expressed range concerns as owners. And I am certain - certain - I will love having 12 stereo speakers, all the Bling of the tech package, the perfect ride on Air suspension, and the blue sky above with Pano roof open. (Blue Sky - that could make the short-list for First Song). I surprised myself with this concession but - for me - it makes sense.
     
  17. Robert.Boston

    Robert.Boston Model S VIN P01536

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    Double-check that gray is available without delaying your delivery; with your low number, that might be a problem. I think the black leather looks sharp with the silver.

    Otherwise, I agree with Todd's summary. I've ordered:

    • Green paint. I strongly prefer getting a real color, not something in the black/gray/silver/white range. The blue was a close contender, but too close to black and very similar to a lot of cars on the road. The brown got vetoed by my family as too odd.
    • 85kWh. Needed weekly during much of the year to get between our homes in Boston and Maine.
    • Standard non-performance. I can't rationalize ~$10k of extra costs given my personal driving style.
    • 19" wheels. Best choice for New England's crappy roads.
    • Tan leather. Close call with black, but I like the spacious feel of the Model S cabin, and the lighter color enhances the openness.
    • Lacewood. The piano black looks like plastic, and the obeche looks like fake woodgrain plastic. Lacewood is unique to the Model S and adds a nice texture to the interior.
    • Pano roof. My son is 6'4" and growing, so he'll need the rear headroom.
    • Tech package. Lots of my driving in Maine is in places with dubious or non-existent cell coverage, so this gives me GPS everywhere and bright headlights to avoid moose.
    • Air suspension. I want my car this year, and I'd want this anyway to drive safely down the long gravel road to my Maine property.
    • Paint armor. See "long gravel road" above.
    • Sound studio. An indulgence, but I'm trained musician and really appreciate good sound systems.
     
  18. Liz G

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    Contaygious - I asked for a bid that would cover everything that the factory was covering plus cover the entire hood and wrap all the edges. So far I have received 2 bids for this work: $1400 and $2000. The $2000 is a little high, but this was from the guy who does all the Lambos, Astons, etc for the high end dealership in town. So I'm guessing the 3rd bid I've asked for will come in around $1400. Either way for me the extra $money is worth it.

    I sent the installer the specs posted on the Tesla forum.

    Here is the exact quote that I received for the $1400 bid. Numbers listed below refer to the Tesla spec.

    First, let me give you a quote on the factory coverage. The front numbers
    1-8 would run $575.00 parts and labor. The rear bumper ledge (9) would be
    $75. The cap top and pillars (13-14) would be $100. The rest of the
    coverage (12 and 15-21) would be $125.

    We would wrap all the edges at that price.

    I would recommend covering the entire hood, entire fenders, and entire
    bumper (same bumper coverage as before). That would be $1200 with wrapped
    edges. At that time, some of the pieces (of 15-21) would be covered, so it
    would eliminate that cost. In other words, with the entire front wrapped
    and all the other pieces, you would be looking at $1400 TOTAL with wrapped
    edges.
     
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    Clearly I'm in the wrong line of business. Does anyone else think the prices charged for this product/service are ridiculous?
     
  20. NigelM

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    Agree. Someone I know did it himself and it looks like it'll protect the paint just as well as professional job:

    parking-lot-car-prank-funny-saran-wrapped.jpg

    :biggrin:
     

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