Are you still talking about planets. alternators is the subject here. But if you feel more comfortable, think generators. Generators will make that machine you have never seen go 150 miles per hour and never have to stop to refuel. Wont you be happy. Free energy.
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Are you still talking about planets. alternators is the subject here. But if you feel more comfortable, think generators. Generators will make that machine you have never seen go 150 miles per hour and never have to stop to refuel. Wont you be happy. Free energy.
HankLloydRight
No Roads
Ok, how many times does it take? There's no such thing as "free energy". The "energy" MUST come from somewhere.
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
I keep seeing this thread pop up on my 'what's new' search & stop by to see what's going on. And basically each time I see people saying 'no such thing as free energy' (ayup) and the OP saying 'you have no imagination'.
Okay ... then SHOW the people here and quit telling them they have no imagination. Because right now this just isn't going anywhere. You originally asked a question about how many alternators. That question was answered. Now it's just an argument. You don't want to hear that energy must come from somewhere. Soo... prove them wrong.
Okay ... then SHOW the people here and quit telling them they have no imagination. Because right now this just isn't going anywhere. You originally asked a question about how many alternators. That question was answered. Now it's just an argument. You don't want to hear that energy must come from somewhere. Soo... prove them wrong.
there are many ways in which energy is extracted for free after of course you have the equipment to do so. Solar panels extract free energy. wind turbines extract free energy. magnets moving through a coil extract free energy, this one has been propose using the waves in the ocean to supply the movement. thermal energy from the core of the earth is also free energy. Niagra falls is free energy."You originally asked a question about how many alternators. That question was answered." That question was never answered. I just simply gave up asking.
I don't know what you mean by "extract" but in all the examples you just provided, you are taking energy in one form and converting it to energy in some other form. You are never creating energy out of nothing in any of these examples. In fact, in every one of those examples, the conversion of energy is never 100% so only some of the energy is converted to the form you want (electricity in all of your examples). Let's take your example of wind energy. When you convert wind energy to electricity, you slow down the air. Sure, some of the air keeps moving past the turbine, but that is energy you weren't able to get out of the air. Extracting thermal energy is just that - taking heat and turning it into some other form of energy. Fortunately there is a lot of heat in the earth so it will take a long long time to make any measurable difference. When you use waves to generate electricity, you make the waves smaller by taking that kinetic energy and converting it into electricity. In every case, you are left with the same net energy before and after.
Might want to check this out: Conservation of energy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Seriously? It was answered at least twice.
Sorry but this one is totally false. It will always take more energy to move the magnets through the coil than the energy you will get from the coil.
1st @ post #2
2nd @ post #5
3rd @ post #8
4th @ post #11
4 > 0
There are also many helpful replies that talk about some of the numbers in play but don't come to a specific answer on the alternator count.
I guess the question here has become put up or shut up. I never offered answer here, I only asked one question. I wish I could offer something, but until I go to patent I'm sorry I can't. So it's put up or shut up, so I will...............
HankLloydRight
No Roads
You're not going to get a patent on whatever contraption you're dreaming up. And I can assure you, whatever you think you have invented has been tried dozens or hundreds of times before. Perpetual motion is nothing new. There's just no such thing possible as any device, using any technology that can power an electric car forever, and never needing to stop for a charge. What you've described multiple times is a physical impossibility. It violates the basic rules of physics.
But good luck with your patent.
But good luck with your patent.
Hank, I was going to say that I didn't think you actually had to show something works to get a patent, but I actually found this:
Perpetual motion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, jossamer, you're going to need to show a working model before you can get your patent. Good luck to you.
Perpetual motion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, jossamer, you're going to need to show a working model before you can get your patent. Good luck to you.
Sigh. You did more than that. You said nobody answered your question. I linked 4 posts that directly answered your question.
If you're going to reply to my rebuttal for context, the high road is to step back and admit that you were incorrect.
roblab
Active Member
It looks to me that we are dealing with semantics.
To one side, "Free Energy" means that there is energy that you don't pay for. Sunlight, magnetic fields, and waves are free.
To the other side of the coin, "Free energy" means that you extract energy for free. Unfortunately, the extraction gear costs money, but since solar panels and wave generation only cost so many dollars, the free energy eventually pays for the cost of extraction.
The problem is that a car driving down the road making "Wind", is not making "Free wind". It costs to drive the car, and the wind generation can never pay for itself. Now if the car is sitting still, and a wind generator is running in the driving "Free Wind" next to the car, the car can be charged with "Free Energy" -- minus the cost of the energy collection device.
This is what I do with my solar panels. My use of free energy has paid for the panels over years' time, and I can charge my car with "free energy".
The problem is defining free energy. If a car is making the wheels move, which have a generator attached to them, the energy is not free, because you are making it. If I put solar panels in front of my headlights, the light is not free. If I have to drive 30 mph to make wind, it is not free.
I think that is the difference, but... I could be wrong.
To one side, "Free Energy" means that there is energy that you don't pay for. Sunlight, magnetic fields, and waves are free.
To the other side of the coin, "Free energy" means that you extract energy for free. Unfortunately, the extraction gear costs money, but since solar panels and wave generation only cost so many dollars, the free energy eventually pays for the cost of extraction.
The problem is that a car driving down the road making "Wind", is not making "Free wind". It costs to drive the car, and the wind generation can never pay for itself. Now if the car is sitting still, and a wind generator is running in the driving "Free Wind" next to the car, the car can be charged with "Free Energy" -- minus the cost of the energy collection device.
This is what I do with my solar panels. My use of free energy has paid for the panels over years' time, and I can charge my car with "free energy".
The problem is defining free energy. If a car is making the wheels move, which have a generator attached to them, the energy is not free, because you are making it. If I put solar panels in front of my headlights, the light is not free. If I have to drive 30 mph to make wind, it is not free.
I think that is the difference, but... I could be wrong.
dmckinstry
Model X 2019
Rob,
Thanks for pointing out the distinction between "free", as in not having to pay anything additional (i.e. in other than original investment) and free as in being created without any energy cost.
The former is an example of an open system, where the energy comes from outside the machine using the energy. A closed system, e.g. the car itself in motion would be an example of a closed system, where there is no external source of energy. The only energy provided is within the battery and/or internally stored fuel.
I've typically ignored threads such as this, as there are enough other people in this forum who have the knowledge to appropriately reply, and I usually end up seeing the thread after many of them have already replied. Also, usually the person who starts the thread doesn't have any significant knowledge of physics to start with, and in most cases doesn't have the inclination to learn it.
However, I do wish to point out to Jossamer the following two points.
1) As already noted by someone earlier, start with a small relatively inexpensive prototype.
2) If by some miracle your idea works, when you apply for your patent don't use a phrase such as "runs indefinitely without further input of energy", or any other phrase that is similar in nature. If you do, the examiner will interpret it to be a perpetual motion machine and dismiss you as delusional, or a charlatan. Instead use a phrase such as improved energy recovery device.
However, even less expensive for you, purchase a small generator or alternator that can be hand cranked. Crank it without being connected to any wiring (load) and note how easy it is to turn. Then attach a heavy wire across the output terminals and see out much harder it is to turn. That will illustrate what others have been saying about how regenerative braking works, and why you have to have an additional energy source (i.e. in this case you).
I think she needs 9,83 bottles. There are 350 kcal in a bottle, not 350 calories. kilo-calories (kcal) and calories are often confused.
None the less there will be frequent bathroom brakes
Did you miss a decimal? I think she needs only 1 bottle. Or actually 4 since she's only 25% efficient herself. This alternative power source is looking better and better all the time.
Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
Yes of course! Kilo=1000. Lots of off math in this thread... Not as off though as the original idea I suppose?
benf
Member
This thread reminds me of another guy several years ago who "invented" a perpetual motion ICE by re-routing the exhaust port of cylinder #4 to the intake port of cylinder #1 in a 4 cylinder engine. It was pretty amazing. :biggrin:
Don't worry, there are more than enough creative guys around.
Read this guy's idea. http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/58203-Technology
If I understand him correctly, his suggestion is to have four electric engines, to be able to regenerate more energy.
(Or he proposes a direct drive motor on every single wheel for general reasons of efficiency. Not sure.)
Read this guy's idea. http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/58203-Technology
If I understand him correctly, his suggestion is to have four electric engines, to be able to regenerate more energy.
(Or he proposes a direct drive motor on every single wheel for general reasons of efficiency. Not sure.)
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