TomB985
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What exactly is untrue here? I've owned my car for 14 months and 25,000 miles and I think they are exactly right. "Firm" is a subjective term, which is by definition an opinion. I share that opinion.
CNN said:
How is this a lie?
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Annoying CNN article...
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What exactly is untrue here? I've owned my car for 14 months and 25,000 miles and I think they are exactly right. "Firm" is a subjective term, which is by definition an opinion. I share that opinion.
How is this a lie?
SomeJoe7777
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Let's review the untrue statements in the article, shall we?
Yes, Autopilot is designed for exactly that, and will be enabled by FSD software as it matures. The assertion that Autopilot is not designed for that is untrue.
Yes it does have a camera facing the driver, but it is not currently active. Whether it will be used for driver monitoring in the future is unknown.
No, a firm tug is not required. You can return control to the driver with a brake tap, or an upward push of the drive mode lever (Model 3) or a forward push of the AP lever (S/X). Also, I subjectively feel that the steering wheel tug is not "firm", just deliberate.
This is sloppy reporting, plain and simple. And is the norm these days.
Yes, Autopilot is designed for exactly that, and will be enabled by FSD software as it matures. The assertion that Autopilot is not designed for that is untrue.
Yes it does have a camera facing the driver, but it is not currently active. Whether it will be used for driver monitoring in the future is unknown.
No, a firm tug is not required. You can return control to the driver with a brake tap, or an upward push of the drive mode lever (Model 3) or a forward push of the AP lever (S/X). Also, I subjectively feel that the steering wheel tug is not "firm", just deliberate.
This is sloppy reporting, plain and simple. And is the norm these days.
I don't think anyone said that. He was saying that in general. There are quite a few ways to disengage the Tesla Autopilot. I honestly didn't realize this was an AD..I thought it was a news story and was surprised the author would say something like that.
I think your other part about why people get their stuff in a wad is because typically this forum and other forums were used by paid lobbyists to try and keep Tesla from succeeding by posting stories to incite discussion that ultimately would help the people shorting the stock.
When I posted this I really didn't think this would start something like this.. it was not my intent. As I said...I was just annoyed a news writer would do that...but now that I know this was an AD and not a real news story.....
TomB985
Member
Advertisements by definition are paid, so unless Ford paid for this "ad", it's something else. I thought it was reasonably well written and corresponded well with a YouTube video I saw this morning on the subject while working out.
It's also useful for me, as autopilot was my primary deciding factor for getting my Tesla, and I've been frustrated at how few options I have in that area. Up until now Ford has stayed quiet about this, so I didn't think the Mach E could be an option for me.
Looks like it might be, so I enjoyed the article. I love my car and think it's the best thing since sliced bread, but I've had other cars that do certain things better. It still blows my mind how my Chrysler Pacifica had a better stereo than this thing, but I suppose that's for another thread.
Well at this point there are no unbiased news outlets to watch which is ridiculous. Not trying to get political here as I am pretty sure we have enough division going on
gavine
Petrol Head turned EV Enthusiast
Is there such a thing as an "untrue fact"? If it's untrue, then it's not a fact, right?
As much as I can't stand CNN I try to watch a half hour of it per day so I can hear the BS they feed people. I used to watch nothing but CNN until I realized how much nonsense they're selling.
Eno Deb
Active Member
Not sure what your point is. This is absolutely true. Tesla cannot allow drivers to take the car out of autopilot with just a light tug of the steering wheel because that would make the torque-based hand-detection impossible. The Ford doesn't have that problem because it uses a camera to monitor driver attention. It's the same with Caddilac's Supercruise.
Eno Deb
Active Member
Not sure what your point is. This is absolutely true. Tesla cannot allow drivers to take the car out of autopilot with just a light tug of the steering wheel because that would make the torque-based hand-detection impossible. The Ford doesn't have that problem because it uses a camera to monitor driver attention. It's the same with Caddilac's Supercruise.
I honestly try not to watch too much of any network because no matter which one you watch you're being misled. I have on my occasions flipped back and forth between networks only to see the same subject being reported differently. The less news I watch the better. It's just a bunch of depressing negativity I could do without.
MXLRplus
Active Member
I've evaluated several autosteering systems. It takes more torque to kick out of AutoPilot™ than any other autosteering that I know of. It also has the least amount of tolerance for user lane positioning, such as moving over for a MC, avoiding an obstacle, and selecting a lane in a 1 -> 2 junction.
Now if you want to get mad, get mad at Ford:
"Taking a dig at Tesla, which has been criticized for calling its system Autopilot and then being surprised when drivers treat it like autopilot (resulting in some disastrous accidents), Ford is being careful with its words. "We carefully select names for features that don't overpromise that they can do more than they can," Chris Billman, a Ford driver-assist engineer, said. The automaker feels its system, called Active Drive Assist, is more accurately named."
Now if you want to get mad, get mad at Ford:
"Taking a dig at Tesla, which has been criticized for calling its system Autopilot and then being surprised when drivers treat it like autopilot (resulting in some disastrous accidents), Ford is being careful with its words. "We carefully select names for features that don't overpromise that they can do more than they can," Chris Billman, a Ford driver-assist engineer, said. The automaker feels its system, called Active Drive Assist, is more accurately named."
MXLRplus
Active Member
While I do understand the sentiment with the OP, I would like to point out that actually the reporter has it correct in the sense that the "tug" on the wheel is the only way I know of to disengage AP with out disengaging cruise control. The tap on the brake or the stalk dis engages both .
(I could be wrong abut this, I am a new Tesla owner)
I am not saying the reporter meant that or even cares, just pointing out that weather its accidental luck , or he did intense research and knows his details inside out...He is correct on the way to disengage AP (only)
As far as news, I have always felt that no matter what the source, if I want to know the truth and care enough to find out, I do my own research .
One tool that has helped me greatly , especially when I have some sort of invested feelings about something, is I start my research form the OPPOSITE point of view. While the internet is a wonderful tool that makes research very easy, I can always find information that supports my point of view, but if I want to know the facts I will research ALL points of view and come to my own conclusion based on the research . I try real hard to base my opinions (or truth as it may be) on facts. NOT base the facts on MY truth.
One of my favorite passages I have ever read in this regard goes like this "Everything I believe is subject to revision, especially what I believe to be the truth.
Sorry I have ventured down the rabbit hole a little further than I intended, this is a Tesla forum after all..lol
(I could be wrong abut this, I am a new Tesla owner)
I am not saying the reporter meant that or even cares, just pointing out that weather its accidental luck , or he did intense research and knows his details inside out...He is correct on the way to disengage AP (only)
As far as news, I have always felt that no matter what the source, if I want to know the truth and care enough to find out, I do my own research .
One tool that has helped me greatly , especially when I have some sort of invested feelings about something, is I start my research form the OPPOSITE point of view. While the internet is a wonderful tool that makes research very easy, I can always find information that supports my point of view, but if I want to know the facts I will research ALL points of view and come to my own conclusion based on the research . I try real hard to base my opinions (or truth as it may be) on facts. NOT base the facts on MY truth.
One of my favorite passages I have ever read in this regard goes like this "Everything I believe is subject to revision, especially what I believe to be the truth.
Sorry I have ventured down the rabbit hole a little further than I intended, this is a Tesla forum after all..lol
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