Not so, GM is downsizing and eliminating all but a few models to concentrate on the truck/suv marketBecause they didn't know how to sell that platform.
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Not so, GM is downsizing and eliminating all but a few models to concentrate on the truck/suv marketBecause they didn't know how to sell that platform.
Not so, GM is downsizing and eliminating all but a few models to concentrate on the truck/suv market
Actually, VW's settlement called for it to spend $2 billion for the charging network, which is more than just the charger installations themselves. By 2027, they're supposed to be done with the initial plan for 2,800 level 2 chargers at 650 community based sites and 2,000 DC fast chargers at 300 highway sites. Some unknown percentage of the DC fast chargers are supposed to be Chademo however with a max 50kw charging rate. Level 2 chargers are like a low powered version of Tesla's destination chargers, and will require quite a few hours for a significant charge.ELectric America or something like that. Dieselgate stipulated they spend something absurd like ~$30,000,000,000 building a charge network so it's grown fast and will keep growing. They generally followed the supercharger network's path but IMHO they should fill in the gaps faster to gain some market in places Teslas are less common. Not my business though, they know better.
As the above post stated demand for sedans has been dropping for years and the relatively small profit margins they were generatingBecause they didn't know how to sell anything but.
One more thought on Tesla Superchargers versus any other charging network out there. The Tesla Supercharger system is exceedingly easy to use, just set up your account once on Tesla.com and then plug into any Supercharger. Electrify America, at least at this point in time, is more like a regular gas station where you have to swipe your credit card before filling up. This isn't a big deal, but it's just another small edge for Tesla.ELectric America or something like that. Dieselgate stipulated they spend something absurd like ~$30,000,000,000 building a charge network so it's grown fast and will keep growing. They generally followed the supercharger network's path but IMHO they should fill in the gaps faster to gain some market in places Teslas are less common. Not my business though, they know better.
Here in Australia I went to a dealer to see a Holden Volt. The sales guy sniggered and said “why would you want one of those?”.The Chevy Volt died because of DEALERS. They are clueless.
You are very lucky. I've had my car in at least four times and they still haven't fixed some issues reported on the first visit. Any chance you have model 3s? Do model 3s get the yellow border problem? I guess they don't get the drive shaft vibration issue either, eh?
They're beautiful cars, but much smaller than I thought they would be. It's more like a Model 3 than a Model X - nothing wrong with that, but in the reviews they always compared it to an X.
Taycan is replacing my Tesla - it has more range and is faster than my Performance Model S, so I see it as a more comfortable direct competitor to my previous electric car. I don't understand the "made for Europe" concept - what does this mean?
My understanding is the model 3 has other issues like thin paint and various quality control problems from being rushed in manufacturing. There's no shortage of reports. Some of these problems won't be seen for some time until the corrosion starts showing up.
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How do you know this? I've seen reports that were provided by testing labs. I'm no paint expert, but after all the problems I've had with my car, I have no reason to doubt lab reports measuring thin, soft paint.
Then Consumer Reports dropped their recommendation...
While this is not Consumer Reports test data, these are reports from a number of Tesla model 3 owners, not some tiny number. Consumer Reports would not consider a handful of complaints to be statistically significant.
You have two cars you have had for a year. What makes you think your samples are representative of the lot? I will say that when I've taken my car into the shop, there are more S and Xs in than 3s. But that doesn't mean so much. 3s are barely a year old. The model S is some 8 or more years old and the X is at least 4 years old.
Model 3 is a much newer car. They put everything they learned from the Roadster, the Model S and the Model X into it. I would expect the Raven Model S and X are pretty darn reliable by now! I expect the Model Y to be slightly improved over the Model 3.
I've owned 6 new cars but none have been as trouble-free as the two Model 3's (our first Teslas).
I have a 2017 MS 75D and was fortunate enough to be able to borrow an e-tron for a week this summer while my MS was in the shop for a body damage repair. It’s a beautiful car in and out, but not a true competitor to a Tesla for anyone that has a Tesla.
The range is 200miles, if you drive carefully - it was closer to 175 with my normal driving. That’s in a 95 KW battery. I get 240 miles out of my 75 KW.
Charging is odd. Every time you plug in at home, the charger will default to low current and you have to manually adjust it to high current to get 11KW/hr, otherwise it defaults to 110voltage and takes 80-90 hours to charge (as it would for a Tesla plugged into a 110 outlet). It’s incredibly inconvenient for home charging as you plug it in, wait for it to start charging, then go find the transformer on the cord to hit the button to go to high speed - every single time.
Acceleration was around 6.5 seconds to 60 unless you dig through the menu to enable sport mode. Then it would drop to around 5.5 seconds, but you have to do this every time and it’s not a default.
Finally, I really enjoy the serene silence of my MS. It’s like a ninja and I find that folks who have never seen an MS are first shocked at how quiet it is when I roll up. The e-tron makes a very loud fake space-ship type of noise. It’s especially loud in reverse. My 6 and 7 year olds thought it was broken and wondered why it was so loud. It’s a pedestrian safety thing in europe, but shows the contrast between the Tesla being a car built as electric and the Audi as a car turned electric.
The interior is grade A Audi and the exterior is as well. The frunk is only big enough for the charging cord at just a few inches deep - clearly a stretched Q5 converted into an electric car.
It may be appealing to a first time electric driver who already has ICE cars, won’t travel out of town with it (you can’t even charge faster than 21 miles an hour at the dealers now - there are no chargers greater than 11KW yet), doesn’t miss the performance of a normal Audi, and doesn’t mind the space ship noise, oh and the model I had was $94k - so $40K more than a comparably equipped Q5. I had a long talk with folks at the dealer and the owner of the store, it’s going to be a tough sale.... not to wish other EVs less success, but the product is just inferior and non-competitive at that price. The sales stats are bearing it out.
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First off, Taycan more range than a ModelS-P? I don't think the official announcement of range (EPA) has been announced. Predictions I have seen (on car not Tesla sites) make WAGs of ~ 220 miles based primarily upon the stories for the ETron vs the truth. There has never been a Model S Performance with range that low (when new). Second - faster? By that I hope you mean top speed, or a prolonged measurement like 0-130? Otherwise that statement is false.
I have a friend who recently took delivery of an e-tron, and he loves it. More power to him. I hope it succeeds. Competition is good for all. View attachment 463712
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Third - please compare apples to apples. It is dishonest to compare the max range of one vehicle with the range when you start at 80% of another, especially when Tesla has NEVER instructed anyone that they cannot or should not charge beyond. They have, when asked, provide guidance to charging levels consistent with maximizing battery life. And 90% has always been the published number dividing daily driving from trips.
I too look forward to people posting about their Taycans. Taycan appears to be a legitimate effort at an electric Porsche, emphasizing performance over more utilitarian things like range. That's a good thing. I hope they succeed.
Sounds similar to Apple with the nerfing of performance on older phonesTesla is downgrading cars illegally right now, there's a 300 page thread over the class action suit and it's going to be all over the news since Tesl is choosing to fight to keep downgrading people so if this drags on long enough you'll have less trange than a Taycan eventually too. Worse than that, they also downgrade performance. It started with 2019.16 and it sounds like v10 kicked off a new round of freshly downgraded "test group" cars with dramatically reduced range and power.
Porsche has never downgraded or stolen options I bought from any of their cars I've owned, and I have had a lot. Tesla has done it to every Tesla I've had and I won't have another if they are seriously going to tell us it's OK to downgrade us to 60kWh and slow our cars down without notice or compensation. I hope the ongoing class action and NHTSA investigation keeps them from learning about these downgrades firsthand.
So people cannot stop, plug in, and go into the mall and top off their charge? I had just parked and was by the super charger about to plug in when she drove by. Lots of people super charge so why not take advantage if you have free charging and possibly are just on a road trip. Only one person was sitting in their car at the time.You mean she doesn't understand why people are charging instead of shopping? Why don't people charge at home?
How do you know this? I've seen reports that were provided by testing labs. I'm no paint expert, but after all the problems I've had with my car, I have no reason to doubt lab reports measuring thin, soft paint.
While this is not Consumer Reports test data, these are reports from a number of Tesla model 3 owners, not some tiny number. Consumer Reports would not consider a handful of complaints to be statistically significant.
You have two cars you have had for a year. What makes you think your samples are representative of the lot?
I will say that when I've taken my car into the shop, there are more S and Xs in than 3s. But that doesn't mean so much. 3s are barely a year old. The model S is some 8 or more years old and the X is at least 4 years old.
One thing I don't get is while they always have someone washing cars when I am there, they say they don't wash cars for warranty customers any more. Do people really pay to have their cars washed at the Tesla service center?
Tesla is downgrading cars illegally right now, there's a 300 page thread over the class action suit and it's going to be all over the news since Tesl is choosing to fight to keep downgrading people so if this drags on long enough you'll have less trange than a Taycan eventually too. Worse than that, they also downgrade performance. It started with 2019.16 and it sounds like v10 kicked off a new round of freshly downgraded "test group" cars with dramatically reduced range and power.
Porsche has never downgraded or stolen options I bought from any of their cars I've owned, and I have had a lot. Tesla has done it to every Tesla I've had and I won't have another if they are seriously going to tell us it's OK to downgrade us to 60kWh and slow our cars down without notice or compensation. I hope the ongoing class action and NHTSA investigation keeps them from learning about these downgrades firsthand.