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Discussion in 'Future Cars' started by art, Jul 1, 2014.

  1. art

    art Member

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    acording to antony ingram Green car reports. chris porritt vice-president of engineering gen 111 will be constructed from appropriate materials.
     
  2. Krugerrand

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    Awesome! I was dreading that they'd make the car out of lead or worse, paper Mache.
     
  3. scaesare

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    Lead would be very inappropriate. As would be balsa wood.
     
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    cork. lots of cork
     
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    Depleted uranium. Dreadfully inappropriate.
     
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    What kind of range could you get out of undepleted uranium?
     
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    Metacrystalline di-lithium in the you-know-what.
     
  8. Krugerrand

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    Unless...they plan on making it a flying car.
     
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    Something measured in parsecs?
     
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    #12 austria1, Jul 2, 2014
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    I know it is too soon to say something specific. But steel? Wow, now that is a no-go argument for me. Two out of three cars from my parents died because of rust.
    So I am very awkward about rust. I mean even the i3 is not made of steel and will be much cheaper by the time gen 111 comes out.
    For me the best argument for buying a Tesla always was the fact that it is made of aluminium so there is no rust. In 2018 a leaf will almost have the same range like the gen 111 and it will be cheaper.
    I just can't see a different between those two cars anymore when they are both just rust bowls. Furthermore I don't see a cost problem with aluminium at a 40.000 $ car. Would be different if it only costs 20k...

    What do you guys think? Does that bother you?
     
  13. trils0n

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    I hope appropriate means low weight, not just low cost. The Model S already weighs way too much, but it's a large car so it is expected to be heavy. A super heavy smaller car would be hard to make as engaging I think. I definitely don't want a 4000+ lb midsize car. I really hope they can control the weight.
     
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    There is such a thing as undercoating and oil spraying. You don't have that in Austria? If not, you might want to start a business.
     
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    I too am glad to hear that appropriate materials will be used. I also am glad that journalists will not be designing the car, since they apparently think that "mostly steel" would be appropriate.

    Balsa wood would not be as inappropriate as it may first appear. The C5 corvettes used composite floor panels with balsa wood core for low mass, stiffness, and strength. The British "mosquito" WWII bombers were also made of balsa wood. While balsa wood is very light and strong, it might be hard to source in quantities sufficient for the gen3 car, so it is probably inappropriate for that reason.

    GSP
     
  16. ElSupreme

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    In what way is steel not an appropriate material to use when making a car? Name a low priced vehicle that isn't primarily made from steel.

    I am all for improved materials, and lowering weight. But there is nothing wrong with steel as a material to make automobiles. Perhaps not the lightest material. But why all the steel hate?

    Rust is a still a minor concern, but with modern coatings and paints it is very controllable in most environments with minimal upkeep.
     
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    I believe my last car a BMW 335d was ~3800lbs so a 4000lb GEN III isn't that heavy in comparison.
     
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    Steel is appropriate, not only because it will be less costly to manufacture, but also because the car will be more readily repairable at body shops. A very small percentage of body shops can properly deal with a Model S.
     
  19. austria1

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    Are you always that sarcastic?
    I just wanted to state that in areas with snowy winters there always is a lot of road salt. No matter how much you spray or repair the salt is too agressive. And even if there are just little scratches from stones in the painting sooner or later the bodywork will rost. And this is very sad I think because as we all know an EV can last much longer.
    I am no steel hater. I just wanted to say that there are better materials for building a great car like an Tesla.
    BMW can built a carbon car at this price tag. So I know that Tesla can do better!
     
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    Aluminum may not rust, but it does corrode....
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    Now we're talking. plastics, carbon fibre, etc are the solution to corrosion not simply aluminum.
     

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