diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
CPUC meeting on Aug 7 on the unexpected stops by Waymo and Cruise in SF. Livestream will be public:
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Probably covered by asking anyway, FSD 2023.26.1/11.3.6, I went through a school zone and the vehicle did not slow down. Auto speed adjust for school zones not available yet?
Any eta? A big value of FSD would be reducing the speed in “special” speed zones because they are so short, dangerous, and can also need speed traps.The system does not recognize "special" speed limit signs- just normal ones.
We never get real ETAs from Tesla. There are a list of things not programmed into FSD currently and school zones/school busses are near the top that upset people, but it's not actually Full Self Driving, it's a driver assist tool currently.Any eta? A big value of FSD would be reducing the speed in “special” speed zones because they are so short, dangerous, and can also need speed traps.
Any eta? A big value of FSD would be reducing the speed in “special” speed zones because they are so short, dangerous, and can also need speed traps.
UnderstoodWe never get real ETAs from Tesla. There are a list of things not programmed into FSD currently and school zones/school busses are near the top that upset people, but it's not actually Full Self Driving, it's a driver assist tool currently.
Three months maybe, six months definitely.....Any eta?
You can do voice notes if the window pops up after a disengagement.Understood
I subscribed this am and did my first “FSD” drive. It’s a mind bender beyond AP. Liked that it was instantaneous from subscribe to use.
The occasional turning signal on and then off for when there is no turned planned is strange.
I have a 1500 mile trip coming up and will be amazong. As stated, currently on 11.3.6 and would be great if Tesla moved me to 11.4.6 soon.
I do I send strange event issues to Tesla?
This doesn't go to Tesla though, so it's a waste. It just tags the information for service to pull later and only stays in the car for about 30 days.You can also do the regular bug report, but that does not go to Tesla (Tesla has to actively download it):
"You can also use voice commands to provide feedback to Tesla. Say "Report", "Feedback", or "Bug report" followed by brief comments."
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What "permit" do you imagine they need to be able to introduce Robotaxis in many places?
(Disclaimer- I don't think Tesla is anywhere near the system being capable of being a robotaxi--- but the idea they need "regulators to approve it to do it at all" simply is not true)
Almost nothing on the federal level, as long as it meets fmvss (which any retrofitted car does) it can be put on the road. There are many states that have no permit or approval procedures.????
Who & through what process does a company become able to legally have a car on the road without a driver in America?
In most states nothing is required. Just be insured. Of course if you kill someone it could be a $100mln accident. That is why companies don’t have have them running around everywhere.????
Who & through what process does a company become able to legally have a car on the road without a driver in America?
That is why companies don’t have have them running around everywhere.
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Who & through what process does a company become able to legally have a car on the road without a driver in America?
L4 is where the car can drive itself without a human, not L5.
Indeed, the many companies operating robotaxis to the public today are all L4.
Ugh why did you split the quotes apart, makes a reply next to impossible...
First for Teslas announced robotaxi yes you need level 5. Level 4 explicitly needs geofencing
Re: Liability
Waymo is willing to take that liability on. There is no evidence that Tesla will do so
Re: Fault
My point was, with a witness and police report one insurance company denied fault until an arbiter found their driver at fault. Your comments about cameras again totally irrelevant. Today with witnesses this stuff happens, cameras will make no difference.
Re: State lines
I just said what happens if the car crosses state lines, yes I meant and gets in an accident obviously, but responsibility and clean up and cost of clean up all have to be addressed as different states have different laws.
Re: Sued for death
Your answer of Waymo means you think Tesla will get sued if a Tesla robotaxi kills someone. Guarantee you 100% that Tesla will *NEVER* release robotaxis if they think they can get sued for a death involving their software.
Their lawyers will 100% force someone else to take the responsibility.
Level 4 explicitly needs geofencing and Tesla has opted against this...
L4/5 means Tesla is the driver. The driver is the insured entity. There is no way they are changing laws to get out of that, period. They'll have to accept responsibility for driving because by definition the car is driving itself. Anyway this is all about tesla and not progress in the field in general. Which is the point of this thread.Ugh why did you split the quotes apart, makes a reply next to impossible...
First for Teslas announced robotaxi yes you need level 5. Level 4 explicitly needs geofencing and Tesla has opted against this...Also you can just drop all your comments about other companies as they have opted for different technology than Tesla so they are irrelevant. TLDR yes for Tesla you *need* L5.
Re: Liability
Waymo is willing to take that liability on. There is no evidence that Tesla will do so, in fact given the current liability model they are pushing the liability onto the driver/owner. It remains to be seen when they hit L5 and offer robotaxis (in several decades) how they will handle liability then. Like I said it is a non-technical question that needs an answer. Talking about Waymo, different technology, different solutions, is again totally irrelevant to this thread.
Re: Fault
My point was, with a witness and police report one insurance company denied fault until an arbiter found their driver at fault. Your comments about cameras again totally irrelevant. Today with witnesses this stuff happens, cameras will make no difference.
Re: State lines
I just said what happens if the car crosses state lines, yes I meant and gets in an accident obviously, but responsibility and clean up and cost of clean up all have to be addressed as different states have different laws.
Re: Sued for death
Your answer of Waymo means you think Tesla will get sued if a Tesla robotaxi kills someone. Guarantee you 100% that Tesla will *NEVER* release robotaxis if they think they can get sued for a death involving their software. Their lawyers will 100% force someone else to take the responsibility.
>That's not to say there aren't complexities that need to be worked out....just...not most of the ones you've raised.
As I demonstrated yes exactly the ones I mentioned as your answers are completely and totally 100% irrelevant to Tesla.