diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Motional and Lyft plan to launch fully driverless robotaxi service in Las Vegas in 2023 using the Hyundai Ioniq 5 vehicle.
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Knightshade
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I've gotta say the competition is beating the hell out of Tesla at delivering robotaxis by press release!
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Nvidia presentation on their FSD platform DRIVE:
It's only 9mn35s presentation. Definitely check it out!
It's only 9mn35s presentation. Definitely check it out!
Well they do have like 25 sensors, 12 cameras, 10 radar a lidar etc..gheez. No idea how Tesla is going to make just vision work with so few cameras...the obvious limitations they have now are so easy to see by anybody with Beta. Big mistake I think Tesla using only cameras, and so few.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Here's the camera suite data:
| 8 exterior cameras | Wide & tele vision | Sony IMX728, 8.3MPix |
| 4 exterior cameras | Fisheye near vision | Sony IMX623, 3.0MPix |
Basically it's the same 8+4 layout that was discussed on the HW4 rumor threads. 8 being the same camera angles Tesla's existing 8 camera suite is using (Nvidia's demo shows 7 of those), main difference being instead of forward facing side cameras being in b-pillars, it's on the mirrors.
4 cameras being fisheye near field cameras likely used for parking.
If you look at the Nvidia fleet list at 0:39, XPeng is using Nvidia Drive also, so it makes complete sense now that it adopts exactly the same layout. So judging from this, we'll see a ton of different cars use the same layout.
Rumor: HW4 will have 13 cameras
There's talking the whole 13 camera (the extra camera being the cabin camera) rumor may just be someone mistaken about other EVs using this layout, not necessarily Tesla. Given Nvidia is going this route, that increases the chances of that.
powertoold
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Interesting. I find their simulation to be much lower graphics quality / less realism vs Tesla's.
Tesla:
LMAO now you are hyping up sim. I thought it was useless? lol there is absolutely no logic or objective reasoning when dealing with Tesla fanatics.
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EVNow
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diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Apparently someone listened to me
FSD Beta did not take the same route as the Waymo. So it is not exactly like what you wanted.
EVNow
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Oh C'mmon, its just a variation
I'm sure when they have way-points they can try taking the same route on FSD too (since you have zero control over the route Waymo takes).
Just one drive doesn't tell us very much anyway. This test should be repeated 10 times.
We can already see though that Waymo's advantage of additional sensors and high-definition maps is questionable.
Obviously, requiring a human supervisor or not is a decisive difference for certain purposes. For a private car, as opposed to a robo-taxi, it still matters, but not quite so much, that a human driver is required for the occasional intervention.
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Tesla vehicle in ‘Full Self-Driving’ beta mode ‘severely damaged’ after crash in California
It is the first crash reported involving FSD beta.
www.theverge.com
I hope NHTSA will conclude that HD Maps should be required to avoid such accidents
Knightshade
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Tesla vehicle in ‘Full Self-Driving’ beta mode ‘severely damaged’ after crash in California
It is the first crash reported involving FSD beta.
I hope NHTSA will conclude that HD Maps should be required to avoid such accidents
This assumes the crash actually happened of course.
It wouldn't be the first time someone filed false allegations against Tesla with the NHTSA.
IIRC with the suspension reports for example like 37 out of 40 fake reports were from a single dude, who was not the owner of ANY Teslas.
EVNow
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I missed this gem.
Robotaxi is a "reality now" because .... they plan to launch a service in one city in a year or two ?
I mean going by that definition "reality", Waymo already has had one for years now ....
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
No, we can't sat that. In fact it is very clear that Waymo's additional sensors and HD maps do provide an advantage because they make the autonomous driving far more reliable and safer than Tesla's FSD Beta. We know this because Waymo does not make the mistakes that FSD Beta makes and is able to drive autonomously in Chandler without a driver. Also, Waymo has a safety disengagement rate of 1 per 30,000 miles whereas FSD Beta has a safety disengagement rate that is orders of magnitude less than that.
Having said that, it is true that driverless is not necessarily required. Tesla does not need to do driverless since they could be content with letting the driver be the back-up. But for a robotaxi service like what Waymo is doing, driverless is required because you need to cut the costs of the driver in order to make a profit. So Waymo definitely gets an advantage from the additional sensors and HD maps as it makes the autonomous driving reliable and safe enough for driverless.
Well, I agree that calling it a reality a few years before it actually happens is a bit exaggerated. But I am just the messenger. I did not write the article. I just wanted people to know that Motional and Lyft are planning to deploy a robotaxi service in LV in a couple years since this is a thread on autonomous progress.
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EVNow
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Not a comment on you - but a comment on the press release.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Thanks. Yeah, the press release definitely jumps the gun. Not to mentions it seems to ignore the robotaxis that Waymo has in Chandler or that Baidu has in China. It acts like Motional's robotaxis in LV are the first robotaxis ever which is not accurate.
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