Autopilot 1 on Autopilot 2HW?

[stillageek]

We ordered in August and put a six month delay on delivery. We pick it up Saturday Feb 25th. We paid for the $2500 autopilot. Got an email asking it we wanted to upgrade to enhanced for $2500. Declined. We were told Wed have AP1 functionality on AP2 hardware. We are in the United States. It will be interesting how they handle this in the future as there must be a very small number of owners in this group. If we decide to upgrade in the future it will be $3500.

 

[Matias]

So if I understand correctly, Tesla is going to maintain four different APs? AP1 with the original hardware, AP1 with the new hardware, EAP and FSD?

 

[Hans Allis]

So if I understand correctly, Tesla is going to maintain four different APs? AP1 with the original hardware, AP1 with the new hardware, EAP and FSD?

That's what they're saying, but I've heard from another buyer that he was told that he was just lucky to get EAP for the AP1 price. It could very well be that there won't be such a thing as "AP1 with the new hardware". I certainly hope there won't be.

 

[rush6410]

They would have to maintain an Ap1 equivalent with Ap2 HW, since they specifically charged folks in the same boat as you for EAP as an upgrade during production when the change was made.

 

[Hans Allis]

They would have to maintain an Ap1 equivalent with Ap2 HW, since they specifically charged folks in the same boat as you for EAP as an upgrade during production when the change was made.

That would be a reasonable expectation. On the other hand, I was never offered the opportunity to upgrade from AP1 to EAP even though I received HW2.0 and asked about upgrading. The response I got (before delivery) was that I would be offered an upgrade path closer to the delivery date, but I never heard back about it.

 

[rush6410]

That would be a reasonable expectation. On the other hand, I was never offered the opportunity to upgrade from AP1 to EAP even though I received HW2.0 and asked about upgrading. The response I got (before delivery) was that I would be offered an upgrade path closer to the delivery date, but I never heard back about it.

Strange. I received an email to choose the upgrade path. Came from corporate.

 

[brianman]

Elon just verified that in about 3 to 6 months FSD will start to work better than EAP because of the extra cameras being turned on.

Can you provide a reference link? I'm pretty sure you're misinterpreting what Elon said.

 

[Hans Allis]

Strange. I received an email to choose the upgrade path. Came from corporate.

I read this here and was expecting to get the same email, but nothing. Mid November I reached out to my DS asking about upgrade pricing. He told me they'd get back to me closer to delivery date. I never heard back and didn't inquire further. Another buyer did push for more details and was told there would be no additional fee and he should consider himself lucky.

 

[Wise1919]

Can you provide a reference link? I'm pretty sure you're misinterpreting what Elon said.

He answered that question on twitter.

 

[brianman]

Elon just verified that in about 3 to 6 months FSD will start to work better than EAP because of the extra cameras being turned on.

Can you provide a reference link? I'm pretty sure you're misinterpreting what Elon said.

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He answered that question on twitter.

Yah, so you're both misinterpreting what he's saying (1) and adding something new that isn't even referenced (2).

@elonmusk At what point will "Full Self-Driving Capability" features noticeably depart from "Enhanced Autopilot" features?

@tsrandall 3 months maybe, 6 months definitely

1. He didn't state "better" just "noticeably depart". We're hoping better but that's not what's promised in the specified timeframe.
2. He said nothing about camera count or usage.

 

[Wise1919]

Yah, so you're both misinterpreting what he's saying (1) and adding something new that isn't even referenced (2).



1. He didn't state "better" just "noticeably depart". We're hoping better but that's not what's promised in the specified timeframe.
2. He said nothing about camera count or usage.

Not real sure how you're supposed to interpret noticeably depart then. If it departs from enhanced then it's obviously better because it will either work better or have more features. Which in my opinion is "better".

It was said from the very beginning that FSD will utilize all of the cameras so I'm not sure how it departs from enhanced without having all of the cameras on.

I'm just reading into what he said and stating what I think is obvious and the fact that FSD utilizes all of the cameras. Just putting past facts together with new info.

Next time I'll just post word for word what he says to avoid confusion. Sorry if I mislead anyone with my opinion on what he meant.

 

[brianman]

If it departs from enhanced then it's obviously better because it will either work better or have more features. Which in my opinion is "better".

AP2 autosteering has already "departed" from AP1 autosteering and it's definitely not "better".

 

[brianman]

It was said from the very beginning that FSD will utilize all of the cameras so I'm not sure how it departs from enhanced without having all of the cameras on.

Simple: different ("active") software means different. Regardless of hardware usage.

And it was said that it would eventually use all cameras -- in some form. Didn't say when that would occur vs. first incarnations of "different from EAP" functionality.

 

[Wise1919]

Simple: different ("active") software means different. Regardless of hardware usage.

And it was said that it would eventually use all cameras -- in some form. Didn't say when that would occur vs. first incarnations of "different from EAP" functionality.

I don't come on here to argue with people. Have a nice day! God bless!

 

[chillaban]

Sigh y'all missed a golden opportunity to say "well the only thing it noticeably departs is your lane..."

 

[calisnow]

Har har har

 

[voltaren]

That's what they're saying, but I've heard from another buyer that he was told that he was just lucky to get EAP for the AP1 price. It could very well be that there won't be such a thing as "AP1 with the new hardware". I certainly hope there won't be.

I ordered a year ago and will take delivery next month. I paid $2500 for AP1. Back in early Dec, I asked my original Fremont-based DS if I can upgrade. She wasn't sure at the time and said Tesla would contact me before production. This DS has been with Tesla from the beginning, she even got me tickets to the X reveal. I then transferred to a new DS. When my car went into production, I sent my old DS a WTF, "why wasn't I contacted to upgrade?" She checked the build in the Tesla system and said that my X has EAP (not just "AP2 hardware") for $2500. I've yet to take delivery, so I can't confirm it...

 

[rush6410]

Check your MyTesla page for the Purchase Agreement. It will confirm which AP level you have. If you have EAP it will be listed as a $5000 charge. If you have the standard AP, it will be $2500 charge. Tesla sent out emails in October to confirm your upgrade to EAP and FSD on vehicles that have not entered production with AP2 hardware. The DS had nothing to do with it other than being able to confirm the order. I was in the same situation and opted for EAP and FSD through the email option. My Purchase Agreement reflected my selection EAP and FSD. I assume if you missed the email, you might not have EAP. But, you can always upgrade it at anytime with a $1000 surcharge.

 

[voltaren]

Tesla didn't send me an email in October to confirm an upgrade. No upgrade offer even after I contacted them. Order agreement shows "autopilot convenience features" for $2500. After I posted, I sent another email to my DS. Confirmed that the build shows EAP on the car.

I realize you did something different, but as I've discovered numerous times by reading these threads, there are many exceptions and scenarios that are handled differently by Tesla. I've already received the following *free* upgrades: 75D, obeche wood, dual chargers, towing package. Also received half off air suspension and 6 seat interior.

 

[Bart Cerneels]

I read this here and was expecting to get the same email, but nothing. Mid November I reached out to my DS asking about upgrade pricing. He told me they'd get back to me closer to delivery date. I never heard back and didn't inquire further. Another buyer did push for more details and was told there would be no additional fee and he should consider himself lucky.

I ordered a Model X on 2016-09-19, and included the "Autopilot Tech Package" for €3300.
It will be delivered in the next few weeks in Belgium. I just contacted my delivery specialist about the the autopilot situation.

He confirmed I will be getting the functionality that I ordered, no extra cost mentioned or anything.
The order agreement does mention "Autopilot comfortfuncties" (Dutch, literally translated to "Autopilot Comfort Functions") and the delivery agent explicitly writes "Autopilot Convenience Features" is in their system.
There was no mention of paying extra to upgrade to EAP or anything similar. Also, the order agreement is very specific about the fixed price and features, they can't contractually deviate from that.

I hope we're just getting EAP at a discount, grandfathered in as it were. It's the only sensible thing Tesla can do. Keeping multiple configurations has an engineering cost and taking away features is contractually not allowed.

I have also ready in this thread and other sources that buyers in the US can pay for an "upgrade", but I think with the stronger consumer protection laws in Europe they are not doing that here.

I'll hope I'll be in the same situation as Hans.