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Canuck
Well-Known Member
What year were you born? If you've lived long enough you know about peaks and valleys when it comes to the price of oil (or any commodity, or the stock market itself). The best thing for Tesla is that gas is in a valley now, while they are pumping out cars as fast as they can build them and the Model 3 is a few years away. If you think these gas prices are here to say, you are very naive.
In BC we're paying $1.35 a litre which works out to over $5 a gallon:
Lower gas prices across North America, except for BC - NEWS 1130
$35,000 has never been the price of a mass market car. The most expensive Chevrolet sedan starts at $27k (that's excluding trucks, Corvettes, and Volts, none of which are "mass market").
$35k buys you an entry level Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Cadillac, etc.
I certainly agree, though, that few Model 3s will actually go out at $35k... and I'm sure relatively few BMW 3-series (lowest price $32k) go out for the base price either.
$35k buys you an entry level Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Cadillac, etc.
I certainly agree, though, that few Model 3s will actually go out at $35k... and I'm sure relatively few BMW 3-series (lowest price $32k) go out for the base price either.
kuttakamina
Member
But people do make stupid purchase decisions based on the immediate gas price.
Sales of SUVs, Light Trucks Soar on Low Gas Prices - DailyFinance
Do I subscribe to that? No! I think gas prices will rise long term.
The middle east is still a mess, pollution is a real concern, china and india are going to need loads of crude and fracking isn't exactly clean.
But as a balancing force to logic, you have the damned politicians,
1. Federal Highway Bill Extends User Fee to Electric Vehicles | Plug In Sites EV Charging Stations
2. Biodiesel gets a boost from 36 US Senators
I think they should tax gasoline more.
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alexrov
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Electricfan
Active Member
I'm with you up to the last part about preferring Tesla. I actually agree now that you mention it - about expanding the market being a possible outcome. I say this because so many people still ask me "what kind of car is that??". I always stress its a NEW AMERICAN CAR COMPANY called Tesla Motors, but most seem to give me a look like "sure....". So, while now that you point it out - a BEV with the familiar GM logo that goes 200 miles on a charge may well expand the market. But I'm sorry I think many will, out of familiarity, prefer a GM. Its still going to be some time before Tesla has the trust GM and Ford have in the country. As sick as it makes me to say it. Just my feeling anyway. Update: ok you said a "significant number", not all. So maybe I agree after all. Nevermind.
It doesn't really matter because there is plenty of room for everyone. If GM makes a good electric car and doesn't crush them (not that I really trust them to), then it's also good for Tesla. The goal is to replace ICE with EV. Tesla can't do it alone.
Topic steering: (Though without autopilot! ;-) )
Maybe Elon wants to announce the roll out of AP at the Earnings call on Aug 5th. This will be designed to offset the announcement of the record losses (from building G.F. and the upgrades @ Fremont) It's also right in the middle of DEFCON in Vegas where they will be announcing the secret "hack" of the Model S. Hmm, Interesting...
Maybe Elon wants to announce the roll out of AP at the Earnings call on Aug 5th. This will be designed to offset the announcement of the record losses (from building G.F. and the upgrades @ Fremont) It's also right in the middle of DEFCON in Vegas where they will be announcing the secret "hack" of the Model S. Hmm, Interesting...
I think someone else already linked it, but in case you missed it : Rescission of a car sales contract due to a lack of ashtray
I also don't understand how you think the lack of Autopilot does not substantially impair the use, if people brought it with the ability to be able to use Autopilot in mind. Such a feature would allow you to do other tasks while driving and if it's just some business calls without having to focus on the driving.
alexrov
Member
jeffro01
Active Member
No, first you insult the state over some stupid logic that isn't even true. Then you're truce is to further insult the state and then add me into it? Dude... What is wrong with you? Without picking apart your absurd list of reasons, most of which are outright fallacies, do you really feel it's necessary to post such things?
I have no idea why both of these posts are allowed considering some of the issues I have had in the past getting my hand slapped for far less.
You are way off base and it's totally ridiculous that you're even allowed to post such things to begin with.
Jeff
Andyw2100
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kuttakamina said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that it doesn't look like Jeff accepted kuttakamina's offer of a truce.
jeffro01
Active Member
Would you? The guy is insulting me and the state I choose to live in. How is that even acceptable?
Jeff
Andyw2100
Well-Known Member
I was just poking fun at the whole situation. I'm not getting in the middle of it, other than to say that I have a yellow lab too!
jeffro01
Active Member
I find no humor in it. This isn't supposed to be a political forum but with comments like that being allowed to be put forth then maybe I should be able to say what I think about DC? Nope, I'd probably get into hot water. I think I'm as upset about how I was treated in another thread over what I posted yet, this crap from that guy apparently is okay. I'd just like to know how the double standard works around here.
Jeff
alexrov
Member
His post was removed, and we got this mod note:
I'm on your side, Jeff, but it's time to calm down.
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