Am I correct that the P85D owners who are dissatisfied with the as delivered horsepower and 0-60 numbers are all in Europe?
Definitely not the case. Might want to skim through the threads on the matter a little more.
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Am I correct that the P85D owners who are dissatisfied with the as delivered horsepower and 0-60 numbers are all in Europe?
@Andyw2100 I will gladly sign this letter as I feel our stance is almost identical here. But I will provide name and vin anonymously as I dont want this nick to be publicly linked to my real identity to easily at least.
..Pffft... we all know who you are. Tesla sent their spies out to hunt you down ages ago.
I launched a formal complaint about the lack of performance from 0-100 km/h back in mid April. Tesla had my car and two others in for tests in late April, not able to find any faults, but not able to make the claimed 0-100 km/h either. Since then I have written numerous e-mails and later we have sent letters on behalf of 15 P85D owners, Tesla did not respond. This is not about a free upgrade, it is about getting what we paid for and we asked for that loooooooong before the L upgrade - so please, stop saying things that are not true. The only part that is really damaging for Tesla in this case, is that they have done nothing about these complaints for months.
So please apologize for accusing us of trying to get a free upgrade, nothing could be further from the truth
@dsm363: Tesla promised us a car faster than a McLaren F1 - as you can read on 1-foot rollout Missing Performance - McLaren confirms that the F1 did 0-60 mph in 3,2 seconds without roll-out. All we ask for is to get what we paid for, simple and easy - nothing else. How Tesla intends to fix our cars to deliver the promised times, it fully up to them.
Why would you trust McLaren on their claim any more than Tesla?
Um... It's the g** d*** McLaren F1 that's why. lol
In terms of the F1, which version could Tesla say they 'matched'?
From McLaren Archives - Zero To 60 Times
1994 McLaren F1 Compare Car
0-60 mph 3.1 | Quarter mile 11.5
1996 McLaren F1 LM Compare Car
0-60 mph 3.8 Manual Trans. | 12 Cyl Eng. | RWD | Coupe
1997 McLaren F1 Compare Car
0-60 mph 3.3 | Quarter mile 11.5
As for the whole 762hp "motor power" for Ludicrous, Tesla never advertised that number, so they can't be held to that (no matter what your interpretation of "motor power" is).
I and others have done this already. To my knowledge no one has received any response of note.
So then do it. Stop talking about it and do it. An L upgrade is 5-6K. That's in the range of what small claim court will deal with.
I'm convinced that it's 100% about getting a free upgrade.
The issue, which is heretofore untested by anyone is how to describe a car with two completely independent engines. If each engine is capable of producing 300HP at the crank, is it a 600HP car? What if they never actually produce max HP at the exact same time? There simply isn't a clear standard.
I don't really agree with this.I'm not sure what your confusion is about? It doesn't take any common sense to realize that a horsepower rating would be the maximum that all motors put out together at the same time. Are you saying there isn't a way to measure that? You don't need a new standard to use the existing standard to get real close. Would you correct for atmosphere? No. Of course not. Is there an intake and exhaust? No. So you don't have to take those into account when you're measuring horsepower from an EV. Should they have a new standard that clarifies this? Of course. Will a new standard lower how much horsepower a manufacturer can claim? Probably as there will be some requirement to produce maximum horsepower for x number of minutes and if it's anything like the 30 minutes for an ICE, then EVs will have to specify far less power than Tesla is right now unless they solve fundamental cooling problems.
But let's just go upstream. Let's cut right to the chase. No standard developed will allow for specifying more horsepower than can be made based on energy input. 415KW is still 557 hp before any losses at all. Any new standard can only lower that possibly by a lot. No standard could ever turn 415KW into more than 557 hp. Would we have been satisfied if the battery put out 515KW (691hp) even though there would be some losses by the time it got to the motor shafts. I know I would have been fine with that. It might still be a slight overstatement but at least it would have been close.
Now let's just say that you're right and that there's no way to accurately convey the power that the P85D actually makes? Then why would they put a single number specifying horsepower at all? Why wouldn't there at least been some clarification for the consumer warning them that the number doesn't mean anything so don't pay attention to it? Why does the 85D which also has dual motors actually make the power they claim while the P85D only makes 39KW (52hp) more?
I don't really agree with this.
1) If Tesla used ECE R85 as a basis to rate all their motor power numbers in the EU, that standard does not take into account voltage sag (power supply with less than 5% sag must be used). Thus the 415kW vs 515kW can easily be a result of that (320V @ 1300A because of sag, vs 400V @1300A). And that standard apparently is what is used for the power numbers listed the EU conformance certificate, Tesla EU website, and also the user manual.
They never said they matched anything.
"We combined our new front drive unit and our P85 rear motor with the objective of outperforming one of the greatest supercars of all time, the McLaren F1."
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mclaren/f1-1992-1998/performanceIn terms of the F1, which version could Tesla say they 'matched'? Seems to me Tesla could say the P85D actually beats the F1 for one of the versions unless that 3.8 is a typo.
From McLaren Archives - Zero To 60 Times
1994 McLaren F1 Compare Car
0-60 mph 3.1 | Quarter mile 11.5
1996 McLaren F1 LM Compare Car
0-60 mph 3.8 Manual Trans. | 12 Cyl Eng. | RWD | Coupe
1997 McLaren F1 Compare Car
0-60 mph 3.3 | Quarter mile 11.5
Pure numbers with roll-out yes. If reading the F1-statements no.As far as I'm concerned, Tesla has easily lived up to it's 0-60 performance claims in the US.